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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    The Libertarian adage is: Your right to swing your arm ends before my nose.

    So, society has always reasonably placed some requirements on behavior to be part of a free society.

    Even the Founding Fathers understood the need for public health measures such as quarantine and immunization (variolation), and the right of society to command such things from unwilling members.

    Do you have the right to be drunk? Yes. In Public? If you do not disturb others. While driving? That is hazarding others.

    I equate choosing to be unvaccinated with being drunk while driving. Yea you might make it home from the bar without hitting anyone. Or you might cause a multicar pileup. You are hazarding others, society, and yourself much more than if sober and society has decided to restrict your liberty to behave in such a manner so that they can be free and safe from such unjustifiable danger.

    No man is an island when it comes to communicable disease.
    Funny, I was going to post a drunk driving analogy before I read your post. DOD is just that, dumb.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumb0ldDad View Post
    Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

    This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

    I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.
    No one is being forced to inject anything. They have a choice and there are consequences for that choice. Just like most things in life.


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    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    I'm not sure how much I liked their modeling, and most skiers were wearing single layer cloth masks (buffs) anyway so almost useless.
    Do you have some specific concerns you can highlight about the modeling?

    I'm not afraid of single layer buffs. Gapers gonna gape and wonder why they always have to mess with them, but if they're worn as intended (pulled over the head with the front folded down over the chin) they're two layers in front of nose and mouth and that's been shown to be 90% effective. Not to mention comfortable and easy to breathe through.

    Even one layer does a lot for slowing your breath horizontally, and if it rises before it reaches anyone that ought to work pretty well in the lift line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.
    Like clockwork a “rationalist” trolls in.

    but then that’s the politics of it now. The idiots want to pretend none of this was necessary; utterly ignoring data that doesn’t fit their narrative

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.
    No it wouldn't, nothing here would be surprising to a Psychologist. And it's all worthless without the context of knowing who is posting.

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    I haven't really seen a lot of "irrational fear" in this thread. I've seen an overwhelming desire to put this pandemic in the rearview through common sense measures. Not really so much fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.
    My wife is one.
    But no way in hell is she going to read any of this loony bin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.
    Yeah, I donít really get all of the fear 2 years into it with widespread availability of multiple vaccines that do pretty damn good job. What are the chances of a fully vaccinated person having serious problems? Basically zero. Maybe Iím in the minority but I donít really know anyone who is worried about Covid anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RShea View Post
    MagnificentUnicorn and others with the medical field background. Wondering about comments for either of the 2 mRNA US vaccines boost after the single J&J back in the spring and if there really are any notable reasons to get one over the other or just schedule at a site and take what they have available.

    Thinking most may have a day after the shot to set aside with possible reaction like headache, body pains, etc. so would like to do that in the next week or so and probably go for a Friday or weekend time slot.

    Google shows a WSJ article behind paywall and then some British Med articles as the top results with Astrazeneca discussions.

    Moderna mRNA or Pfizer mRNA is what I am leaning toward over another J&J (which I would have maybe done shortly after the first shot if it was not set up at first as a one and done.)
    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post
    I got the J&J in March. Had a break though Covid infection in summer. Got Moderna booster this morning. Tiny bit of soreness, but fine. It's a tiny shot.

    My buddy had the same exact scenario as above. He got Moderna a couple week ago. Zero side effects.

    Go for the Moderna.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teletech View Post
    The fact that you guys track post counts like it is important is strange and pathetic. It’s actually quite sad that your life revolves around an Internet forum. Carry on.
    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Jfc this thread would be a great case study for a Psychologist. The irrational fear is both intriguing and alarming at the same time. Carry on.
    Interesting post style.

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    The right to walk around public spaces unvaxxed is similar to the right to smoke cigarettes in those same public spaces.. Spewing potential poison causes unnecessary risk to others.

    If you can't go there without posing that risk, you can't go there at all.. If I was so addicted to smoking that I couldn't work without smoking (and many were in the 1970s and 80s) I'd have to find another job once smoking in those places was deemed too risky to others.. Same situation with vax mandates..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Ski hills: I donít see much opportunity for being infected while riding a chair thatís fully open. Definitely could be possible in a crowded box.

    Quote Originally Posted by alias_rice View Post
    Yeah, I donít really get all of the fear 2 years into it with widespread availability of multiple vaccines that do pretty damn good job. What are the chances of a fully vaccinated person having serious problems? Basically zero. Maybe Iím in the minority but I donít really know anyone who is worried about Covid anymore.
    You must live somewhere with a high vax/boosted rate, know nobody that could be immunocompromised, not know any unvaxed kids. So the possibility of you being infected is low, and if youíre infected, the possibility of you infecting others and making them seriously sick is very low.

    My county, Nevada county, just reported 93 new cases today. Last week, was 161. Population 100k. Ainít Michigan, but not great.

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    Moderna booster at 2:30 today. Didnít even feel the shot this time, I was nice and relaxed on a few bong rips. Guess Iíll find out in the middle of the night if itís going to knock me for a loop like #2 Moderna did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Interesting post style.
    I laughed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Interesting post style.
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    I laughed.
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    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I ain't goin' indoors with a bunch of unmasked morans. I'll just piss in the woods, thank you very much.
    I did that last season and got shit from an employee at Canyons. I had to walk under a rope when it was low tide and walk on dirt to a tree and the little prick still took my pass info and gave me a warning about going out of bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topwater View Post
    I did that last season and got shit from an employee at Canyons. I had to walk under a rope when it was low tide and walk on dirt to a tree and the little prick still took my pass info and gave me a warning about going out of bounds.
    I don't usually condone violence, but you probably should have slapped that kid
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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    A friend of mine and his family who live in town, and who I have invited to my house for X-mas dinner, will be traveling from SLC to NY on Dec. 18, then to Toronto on Dec. 20, then back to SLC on 12/24. I think that I may cancel. OTOH, they will all need to pass a COVID test w/in 24hrs. of returning to the USA, and my son works at a very busy local bar 5 days/wk, and he will be dining with us.
    The least risky thing to do is cancel. Seems you already know this.


    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    Other notes:
    1) I will return to last year's protocol and wear a mask when skiing;
    2) On Wednesday, my sister's in-laws, who live in Germany and are in their late '80s, finally received their first vax. On Friday, both were diagnosed with COVID. My bro-in-law's bro., who is an anti-vaxxer, is blaming the vax for the diagnosis. They are doing very poorly and they can't receive hospital treatment because of overcrowding. +++VIBES+++
    1) I'm expecting to do the same. Really don't want to but what's more important, skiing without a mask or one's long term health and well being. My reminder of why:
    I was walking on a sidewalk in a retail shopping area this weekend. It was a sunny clear day, no wind. Three high school aged girls passed me walking in the opposite direction. After I got a few feet beyond I could smell their perfume. If you can smell airborne perfume particles then certainly exhaled respiratory particles are in the mix, but you can't smell exhaled respiratory particles.

    2) Your bro-in-law's bro's head-up-his-ass beliefs is the root cause of hospital overcrowding and no capacity to treat the late '80s in-laws. Vibes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babybear View Post
    I don't usually condone violence, but you probably should have slapped that kid
    Or peed on his leg.

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    Marking territory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    Marking territory?
    Establishing dominance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    Much better after the antibody infusion. Lungs are still tight when I wake up, but after meds they feel mostly normal.

    I felt like shit for a solid week. Can't imagine what it would have been like if I wasn't vaccinated.


    I have to say, I pity the folks who aren't getting vaccinated. Whether you're latched on to some conspiracy theory, or compelled by a deep need to demonstrate some sociocultural affiliation, it's a steep price to pay. It's a fascinating, but depressing example of our human capacity to dismiss the obvious in a vain effort to preserve a fragile sense of self or belonging. I hope you fuckers don't die.
    Great to hear!

    Iíve been asthmatic for 45 years or so and go figure have been kinda freaked out about Covid, (lost my dad to the shit a year ago too).


    Do you take a daily steroid control med? Just curious. I only use ventolin inhalers as needed. had a physical last week and my doc mentioned Covid hasnít been hitting folks with asthma that hard, (unless the patient is in immunosuppressive drugs), as the disease affects the small air sacs more so than the bronchial tubes. I believe him but thought it was interesting to hear you really had trouble. Heard it from others too. Iíd rather avoid it but doesnít sound like thatís an option unless I hide in a hole for the rest of my days.

    Sounds like youíre gonna clear the infection fine! Thatís awesome!

    Iím still pretty damn careful these days, even after being PFE boosted. One good thing about always maskingÖ.canít smell farts. Crop dusting at the grocery store isnít as fun though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schwerty View Post
    ...One good thing about always masking….can’t smell farts. Crop dusting at the grocery store isn’t as fun though.
    That's why I can't support the use of masks. nothing like the smell of freedom waltzing around walmart

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    Shouldn't make much of a difference with farts, whose odors are carried as gas rather than tiny particles. Hey, we're starting to tackle the big issues here.

    And really glad to hear of your improvement, Black Diamonds. Super glad you're vaccinated; as you imply, might not have gone so well otherwise.

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