To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[sirbumpsalot]

It's fascinating that future generations will look back and read stupid colloquialisms like this from the anti-vaxxers. Kids will read history books and ask "why were these guys so ignorant and so unwilling to take easy steps like masking and getting vaccinated?" And they will look up from the history books and remark: "it's sadly ironic that conspiracy theorists like Sirlittledick were spouting off about 'seeing the forest thru (sic) the trees' while being blindly unwilling to take basic steps against a pandemic".

We're at this point: "Pandemic self-inflicted by nutjobs"


I would venture to ask "what are your kids and grandkids going to think of your stupid statements years down the road" but you, CorseShot, Ron Johnson and your ilk are lonely incels so the question doesn't apply.

Well considering what I posted has noting to do with coivd or vaccines...your response goes to prove my point. Sorry.

[Adolf Allerbush]

You forgot about PCR tests
Inability to differentiate between the flu and c19

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...za/5388263001/

[KQ]

5 new deaths in W2. All unvaxxed.

[yeahman]

5 new deaths in W2. All unvaxxed.

It's kind of like a circular firing squad.

[mfcf13]

Well considering what I posted has noting to do with coivd or vaccines...

"Um, durr. I'm Sirlittledick and I like to go to the Covid and Vaccine thread and post stupid non-ironic gems like this".

[lifelinksplit]

Or, get infected from an unvaccinated cretin, don’t get sick and pass it on to your immunocomprimised loved one who then dies.

That’s what you meant isn’t it?


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Holy shit I almost couldn't wade back far enough to even find this but yeah that was exactly my concern. If it was just about me I could give two shits. But see people who are vaxxed are getting it so why get vaxxed right....this thread delivers in all the wrong ways.

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[Ted Striker]

Have been occasionally following this thread, as well as keeping on top of "real" news.

It seems like much of the hesitation/inability to require Vax is that the FDA hasn't approved it yet.

Has that been discussed and I missed it?

It has, and the consensus is that it's disingenuous. If they received full approval tomorrow, there'd be a new "reason" by Monday.

[k2skier112]

Well considering what I posted has noting to do with coivd or vaccines...your response goes to prove my point. Sorry.

are u vaxxed?
is the pandemic real?
are u against masking?
why dont u move to lakeview?

[JayPowHound]

It has, and the consensus is that it's disingenuous. If they received full approval tomorrow, there'd be a new "reason" by Monday.

Well, I guess I hope for "Monday". Maybe the new reason appeals to a smaller %..

[Tri-Ungulate]

I’m getting so frustrated with anti vaccine people, even coworkers. It’s like selective psychosis

Yeah, know the feeling. Hence my venting. Sucks to see people die unnecessarily.

On ventilators.

But they're just crisis actors, so they aren't really dead.

I'm just gullible enough to believe it when I sign their death certificates.


ps, thanks Summer for your perspective from that hellish penal colony.

[ron johnson]

It's fascinating that future generations will look back and read stupid colloquialisms like this from the anti-vaxxers. Kids will read history books and ask "why were these guys so ignorant and so unwilling to take easy steps like masking and getting vaccinated?" And they will look up from the history books and remark: "it's sadly ironic that conspiracy theorists like Sirlittledick were spouting off about 'seeing the forest thru (sic) the trees' while being blindly unwilling to take basic steps against a pandemic".

We're at this point: "Pandemic self-inflicted by nutjobs"


I would venture to ask "what are your kids and grandkids going to think of your stupid statements years down the road" but you, CorseShot, Ron Johnson and your ilk are lonely incels so the question doesn't apply.

IMO it's going to go the other way. We upended society for a virus that is of little danger to anyone under 50 and it's not clear at all that there was any benefit from the non-pharmaceutical interventions. COVID is here forever. Zero COVID was never going to happen. Make your own risk assessments and live accordingly.

What we did to our kids is criminal.

Most mismanaged event in human history.

[abraham]

Tele Rob, and then the two maggots and Ian on the same day. That’s it, I believe. Ian keeps track.

Tyrone and Kush

[Ted Striker]

And the guy in the bar pretending to be Ty.

[bodywhomper]

Tyrone and Kush

Thanks. I couldn’t remember off the top of my head.

[Nobody Famous]

The long term protective data from Pfizer is starting to come in (randomized trial). New preprint
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.21261159v1

Any symptomatic infection
2 months 96%
2-4 months 90%
4-6 months 84%

For protection vs severe illness solid all the way through at least 6 months *97%*

Are there any studies showing same long term results for Moderna or J&J?

[MultiVerse]

From what I understand they have recommended it without passing it through the whole process to be approved, which historically takes some time.. but this is a unique situation.

I feel like from a govt. intervention standpoint that is the next logical step that we're waiting for.

Whether or not it makes any difference to holdouts, the FDA should give immediate full approval because they are already the best-studied vaccines in human history.

[mfcf13]

IMO it's going to go the other way. We upended society for a virus that is of little danger to anyone under 50 and it's not clear at all that there was any benefit from the non-pharmaceutical interventions. COVID is here forever. Zero COVID was never going to happen. Make your own risk assessments and live accordingly.

What we did to our kids is criminal.

Most mismanaged event in human history.

Yes "Ron Johnson", what you and that other libertarian did to the kids was criminal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...n_(politician)

[dunfree]

It's fascinating that future generations will look back and read stupid colloquialisms like this from the anti-vaxxers. Kids will read history books and ask "why were these guys so ignorant and so unwilling to take easy steps like masking and getting vaccinated?" And they will look up from the history books and remark: "it's sadly ironic that conspiracy theorists like Sirlittledick were spouting off about 'seeing the forest thru (sic) the trees' while being blindly unwilling to take basic steps against a pandemic".

We're at this point: "Pandemic self-inflicted by nutjobs"


I would venture to ask "what are your kids and grandkids going to think of your stupid statements years down the road" but you, CorseShot, Ron Johnson and your ilk are lonely incels so the question doesn't apply.

did your text books have dunces, dolts, morons, and other Trumpian ilk in them? Mine didn’t. Flush turds, there’s nothing to learn. By this point everyone but euro royal familys knows if your family tree doesn’t branch bad things happen, fuck sirhumpslox and the other inbred drain babys.

[ron johnson]

Yes "Ron Johnson", what you and that other libertarian did to the kids was criminal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...n_(politician)

I wonder what must have been going through your head to make such a useless post.

[ron johnson]

Whether or not it makes any difference to holdouts, the FDA should give immediate full approval because they are already the best-studied vaccines in human history.

Been out for less than a year and there is no longer a control arm in the original trials, but they are somehow the best studied vaccines in history?

[jono]

It's as if there was a school someplace or maybe just a branch of some intel service that will train you to learn all the words but none of their meanings. Is it Sinovac sales? Who pays for it? You can tell us, this is just a ski forum.

[MultiVerse]

@RJ, Yes, they are the best studied vaccines in history because of the enormous resources put into studying them not only in the U.S., but also in many other countries. There has never been anything quite like it in medical history. As I said before it is one of the most impressive, if not the most impressive, achievements in medical-scientific research.

[old goat]

From the WAPO--internal CDC slide presentation re delta--"as transmissible as chickenpox". Herd immunity unachievable. No new info in this article about how big the risk of vaccinated people getting infected, getting sick, and dying. No new info about the risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus beyond the high viral loads in infected vaccinated people already discussed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/

[Core Shot]

From the WAPO--internal CDC slide presentation re delta--"as transmissible as chickenpox". Herd immunity unachievable. No new info in this article about how big the risk of vaccinated people getting infected, getting sick, and dying. No new info about the risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus beyond the high viral loads in infected vaccinated people already discussed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...mask-guidance/

Walter A. Orenstein, associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center, said he was struck by data showing that vaccinated people who became infected with delta shed just as much virus as those who were not vaccinated. The slide references an outbreak in Barnstable County, Mass., where vaccinated and unvaccinated people shed nearly identical amounts of virus.
“I think this is very important in changing things,” Orenstein said.
A person working in partnership with the CDC on investigations of the delta variant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak, said the data came from a July 4 outbreak in Provincetown, Mass. Genetic analysis of the outbreak showed that people who were vaccinated were transmitting the virus to other vaccinated people. The person said the data was “deeply disconcerting” and a “canary in the coal mine” for scientists who had seen the data.
If the war has changed, as the CDC states, so has the calculus of success and failure. The extreme contagiousness of delta makes herd immunity a more challenging target, infectious-disease experts said.
“I think the central issue is that vaccinated people are probably involved to a substantial extent in the transmission of delta,” Jeffrey Shaman, a Columbia University epidemiologist, wrote in an email after reviewing the CDC slides. “In some sense, vaccination is now about personal protection — protecting oneself against severe disease. Herd immunity is not relevant as we are seeing plenty of evidence of repeat and breakthrough infections.”

[MultiVerse]

No new info about the risk of vaccinated people transmitting the virus beyond the high viral loads in infected vaccinated people already discussed.

Walter A. Orenstein, associate director of the Emory Vaccine Center, said he was struck by data showing that vaccinated people who became infected with delta shed just as much virus as those who were not vaccinated. The slide references an outbreak in Barnstable County, Mass., where vaccinated and unvaccinated people shed nearly identical amounts of virus.

Data suggests, absent any other measures, RO (the potential transmission number) for delta among vaccinated individuals in Israel is 1 versus 4 for the unvaccinated in Israel and between 5-8 for the unvaccinated in America (likely due in part to lower vaccination rates). So the key thing to keep in mind is vaccines still greatly reduce the risk of getting infected even for delta.

Are there any studies showing same long term results for Moderna or J&J?

Not exactly what you asked for but here's data as of July 27 on breakthrough cases in Minnesota for each vaccine:

1,626,557 MN got Pfizer - 2,074 breakthroughs (0.13%)
1,125,919 MN got Moderna - 976 breakthroughs (0.08%)
266,975 MN are J&J - 813 breakthroughs (0.30%)