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09-16-2021, 11:17 AM #12626
Perhaps you need to repeat first grade, because you obviously can't read. Literally from your quote of me:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
What clearly isn't helping either is the political polarization of our country. Both sides are guilty of this. Trump says "Vaccine's coming out soon." Kamala says "If Donald Trump says to take it, then I'm not taking it." Biden himself warned against the rushing of a vaccine, did he not? The hesitancy wasn't purely right-leaning as you may believe.
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09-16-2021, 11:21 AM #12627
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09-16-2021, 11:23 AM #12628
Bobby Stainless sells Ferraris. I still like Ferraris.
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09-16-2021, 11:23 AM #12629
“Politicians lie or bend the truth and that confuses the situation!”
also says “Texas and Florida are doing just fine!”
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09-16-2021, 11:45 AM #12630
You are understating the role of propaganda. Propagandists create disinformation by taking advantage of the children's game of telephone: 1) Scientists and researchers provide deep background knowledge within their areas of expertise emphasizing accuracy & uncertainty including caveats over concrete conclusions. 2) Writers and journalists grasp and choose to highlight what they think is important while also taking dramatic license to elevate entertainment. 3) Finally, there's what the nonexpert reader takes away.
To use your example "Be more worried about the flu," what was actually conveyed back in February 2000 is that while the flu presents a greater immediate risk, and even though the SARS2 risk is low right now, that could change ... this could evolve into a global pandemic.
People heedlessly repeating political messaging are a big part of the problem because you reinforce misinformation like "Be more worried about the flu" while leaving out "this could evolve into a global pandemic."
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09-16-2021, 11:55 AM #12631
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09-16-2021, 11:56 AM #12632
At the end of the day (yes everyone hates that phrase).. At the end of the day.. probably 90% of everyone pro vaccine still would be vaxxed if Trump had been declared the winner. Add in 100% of the folks bellyaching about their free dumb right now, In short. We'd do it for you (and everyone else) but you won't do it for us (and everyone else)..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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09-16-2021, 11:58 AM #12633
JFC dude. You’re still wondering why people dogpile on you and call you a dipshit? This is why. You start with the recent past, go to the start of the pandemic, fast forward to the middle, go back to the start, then end with an irrelevant event. Absolute incoherence.
Yes, our government and power structure is bad, does bad shit multiple times per second 24/7/365/perpetuity. Dipshits like yourself fall in line with all that evil shit everyday, but getting vaccinated to stop a pandemic that is blind and affects everyone is the hill you’re going to die on to prove that the government lied to you? Why? Because it’s the only thing in your power to control?
You’re so bad at trying to dunk on people, it’s really pathetic. Log off.
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09-16-2021, 12:08 PM #12634Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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09-16-2021, 12:14 PM #12635Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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09-16-2021, 12:30 PM #12636
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09-16-2021, 12:55 PM #12637
Man, if we were really discussing policy approaches we'd be in a good place. We can't even agree on basic, demonstrable facts of reality - sky is blue level shit. Nutters (who are many) are talking blood rituals, vast, ridiculous conspiracy and assigning Satanism for their perceived political foes. Literal fucking witches.
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09-16-2021, 01:03 PM #12638
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09-16-2021, 01:09 PM #12639
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09-16-2021, 01:19 PM #12640“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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09-16-2021, 01:25 PM #12641Registered User
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09-16-2021, 01:41 PM #12642
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09-16-2021, 01:45 PM #12643
Given the current state of the pandemic--people without covid dying for lack of an ICU bed--preventing disease but not infection isn't good enough. Even though the vaccinated aren't spreading infection nearly as much as the nonvaxed, at this point every thing that can be done to prevent infection helps. Maybe if everyone were vaccinated third doses wouldn't be necessary. Likewise under 12's. Looking at the risk/benefit ratio for the individual vaccinee isn't good enough--the benefit has to include reducing the chance of infecting someone at higher risk for disease and of increasing transmission in general.
Sounds like FDA approval is months away, at least. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...young-children
Worth remembering that the great majority of vaccines are given to children.
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09-16-2021, 02:09 PM #12644
^ I'm not so much arguing for or against boosters as I am pointing out vaccines provide long lasting protection against severe disease. Vaccines protect your lungs even if you are reinfected.
There's a lot of nuance and a lot of people are saying they don't want to get vaccinated because what's the point if you're going to have to do it all over again every six months. In additional to the unvaccinated, there are still have a lot of people who aren't fully vaccinated, who have only had one dose. For a lot of people the booster talk is making things worse. It's adding to the confusion.
- Though protection against reinfection wanes with time both natural immunity and vaccines give excellent long term protection against severity.
- Despite Delta, severe Covid-19 is much rarer among previously infected or vaccinated and rarer still for healthy individuals. Almost all of the severe reinfection cases occur among the infirm elderly.
- Multiple large cohort studies show after up to 10 months vaccinated individuals & previously infected with SARS2 on average have about an 80% reduction in the odds of a reinfection.
Edit: - Identifiable cases and contact tracing cluster analysis of reinfection infecting others shows it happening much less frequently.
- There are many reports of long haulers resolving symptoms after vaccination. This is being actively studied and we should see results soon.Last edited by MultiVerse; 09-16-2021 at 06:16 PM.
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09-16-2021, 02:20 PM #12645
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09-16-2021, 02:31 PM #12646
Thanks for the response. interesting about no identified cases of those that are reinfected not infecting others.
If I remember right, in that interview that i posted upthread by dr. damania of dr. gandhi, she was referring to herself as vaccinated asymptomatic reinfected. I believe she meant that she was currently infected, but i find it interesting that she is referring to herself as "reinfected," meaning, I believe, that her initial infection was via the vax.
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09-16-2021, 02:36 PM #12647
ok montucky...you made me laugh
well done
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09-16-2021, 02:43 PM #12648
Talking about boosters confuses some people who might then decide it isn't worth getting vaccinated--isn't that a lot like people being told at the beginning that masks weren't necessary. I don't think you can change or suppress the message based on what you think people can understand or handle. In the long run hiding the truth breeds distrust that's a lot more dangerous than the truth.
At the risk of partly contradicting something I said earlier--the public debate about boosters is good, as long as the opposing opinions are discussing it with each other, and not in social media posts. Let people see the process by which these sorts of decisions are made. It counteracts the narrative that "the vaccine was done too quickly". Yeah, there will be some that will not be able to cope with the fact that there are conflicting opinions but you can't pander to that group. (My pet peeve--Judy Woodruff on PBS in her interviews with various covid authorities seems to have a hard time dealing with unpleasant realities.)
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09-16-2021, 02:48 PM #12649
^ I'm not hiding the truth in any way shape or form. Effectiveness against infection and effectiveness against disease are different things. I'm arguing getting fully vaccinated confers long lasting protection against severe disease.
There's also compelling evidence boosters provide much more benefit for people 60+ plus than they do for younger people. For younger groups, we see high protection vs. Covid-19 severity / deaths from vaccines, and so far not much evidence boosters improve protection.
Based on the evidence I think the UK has the right strategy: booster availability for healthcare workers, people age 50+, and the vulnerable / immunocompromised.
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09-16-2021, 02:49 PM #12650
I'd do her if she was vaxxed..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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