To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[schindlerpiste]

If you want to eat the biggest schnitzel in all of Germany at the table, proof of vax AND recent negative test must be shown at the door.

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I will take the Keller bier on the right, Bitte. A friend owns a bar in Germany (Windmuhle, Fulda). For the longest time, he was forced to close, but the government did pay him 75% of his 2019 gross ? receipts.
https://www.windmuehle-fulda.de. shameless spam

[wooley12]

Why would anyone want that much schnitzel in one sitting??? And Jägerschnitzel is the best schnitzel.

If you can eat all of it, it's free. You have to ask. You're welcome.

[summit]

We can all agree at this point that vaccinated individuals can experience a breakthrough infection where they can get COVID, and transmit it to others. This would include EVERY American, hoss. This isn't a point of contention anymore. Sorry about your friend.

At home testing isn't for concerts or international travel, but it has many beneficial uses. This is for members of society to have the option of an instant test to determine whether to attend that social function or not by letting the individual make an adult decision without intervention of the nanny state.

This would help stop the spread, which I thought was the goal still?

Vaccinated individuals are ~4 times less likely to get infected and even less likely to spread.

Testing can reduce spread, but targeted use is more efficient than random surveillance testing.

But the primary goal is not to stop all infections, but to limit impacts on hospitals. Vaccines are the only real tool for that, ~10x lower hospitalization rate vs unvaccinated.

[Mazderati]

"Nanny state" but expects a free testing provision. Geenyus.

[CarlMega]

Yep, arguing that the rapid tests aren't 100% effective is tantamount to complaining that vaccines aren't 100% effective. We don't need absolute perfection for something to be effective.

Personally, I like the complaints about not having enough free/cheap testing from gov't while complaining about the nanny state. Amazing.

[bennymac]

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U.S. COVID-19 Deaths by Vaccine Status
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...accine_status/


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Vaccinated individuals are ~4 times less likely to get infected and even less likely to spread.

Testing can reduce spread, but targeted use is more efficient than random surveillance testing.

But the primary goal is not to stop all infections, but to limit impacts on hospitals. Vaccines are the only real tool for that, ~10x lower hospitalization rate vs unvaccinated.

This message is not heard by asspen and others like him. They can’t see what’s going on in hospitals so it doesn’t happen.


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[wooley12]

No. No one cares but you. Go fetch.

[The AD]

Personally, I like the complaints about not having enough free/cheap testing from gov't while complaining about the nanny state. Amazing.

[funkendrenchman]

We can all agree at this point that vaccinated individuals can experience a breakthrough infection where they can get COVID, and transmit it to others. This would include EVERY American, hoss. This isn't a point of contention anymore. Sorry about your friend.

At home testing isn't for concerts or international travel, but it has many beneficial uses. This is for members of society to have the option of an instant test to determine whether to attend that social function or not by letting the individual make an adult decision without intervention of the nanny state.

This would help stop the spread, which I thought was the goal still?

Have you ordered your at home tests from the state of Colorado?

[riser4]

If you can eat all of it, it's free. You have to ask. You're welcome.

I'd rather pay and eat a reasonable amount. HFS.

[grskier]

Proctored, or not, home tests are only 80-85% reliable at best. Lots of false negatives when infection is in early stages and asymptomatic. Best to go to a facility to get tested with PCR test.

They are a great additional tool, not a replacement and should be treated as such.

[Percy Rideout]

Have you ordered your at home tests from the state of Colorado?

Yep, got the email, filled everything out (they need my employer...for a home test?) then waited 24 hours for my window. Signed up after window was open (re enter all information again) then got flagged with an error thinking i was not invited to the system.

Sent an email CDPHE trying to get to the bottom of it. No response for a few days. No tests delivered. Fun times.

[skaredshtles]

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I just went to a friends celebration of life for his wife
both antivaxxers, she died of covid-19, he survived

Celebration of Dum?

At least in urban areas free testing is relatively easy to get, but not necessarily convenient. It certainly would be an improvement if anyone could simply get a free test they could take at home.

Our county provides these via the school district...

The home tests are great for peace of mind. They're pretty worthless for actual documentation though. No way to verify who was swabbed or when with the home tests unless professionally administered live online streaming. My kid had to do that first year of college.. perform the test in a conference call and seal the packaging to mail them so it was harder to use a proxy.

What home tests are good for is to decided whether or not you need to go get in line to take a formal clinic administered test. A home test won't and shouldn't be valid documentation for admission to concerts, public transport, the workplace etc..

All of this. We recently used several of the at-home tests for the kid. Had any turned up positive, we would have gone to get a "proper" test.

[summit]

4 week moving average for CO

[skaredshtles]

4 week moving average for CO

The most disturbing part of that graphic are the avg ages of the unvaccinated stats.

[riser4]

The maga guy there is a good approximation of a buddy who went full conservatard, Hannity knob gobbler.

[summit]

Any recent comparison between infected/recovered vs vaxxed individuals ability to transmit? Especially across multiple timeframes? I haven't run across anything lately.

Latest article I read showed that despite being PCR positive, vaccine breakthroughs had far lower viral culture positive rates and durations vs unvaccinated. This indicates both shorter timeframes of shed and lower rates of shedding replication competent virus.

Here is another article https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2786040
And another: https://academic.oup.com/ofid/articl...fab526/6425697

Both indicate the same thing, lower prevalence of disease, shorter duration of shed, and lower asymptomatic rates or reduced viral load with likely lower replication competence all yielding less transmissibility.

[dunfree]

$20 dumb old troll just vanishes

[Jong Lafitte]

Why would anyone want that much schnitzel in one sitting??? And Jägerschnitzel is the best schnitzel.

It’s not the biggest unless those ar 3L mugs and the plate is 24”. Does look good though.

While I might agree on the Jaegerschnitzel, saying that out loud makes me think you’re in the Taliban or something.

I will take the Keller bier on the right, Bitte. A friend owns a bar in Germany (Windmuhle, Fulda). For the longest time, he was forced to close, but the government did pay him 75% of his 2019 gross ? receipts.
https://www.windmuehle-fulda.de. shameless spam

ha! I think I’ve been there at least once.

If you can eat all of it, it's free. You have to ask. You're welcome.

but you ain’t gonna say what town? Huh. It don’t look that big to me. Unless it’s like more than two Kilo, I’m taking this challenge. U have to eat the potatoes too? Are those more like fries or like potato salad type? Looks yum. I’m not familiar with that sauce being served with the wiener schnitzel or pork schnitzel maybe I’m just forgetting but I’m curious cuz it looks delicious. Bearnaise type maybe?

Man I had so much good food over there. Gotta go back some day.

My effort to re-create the schnitzel I had at Anker Bernhausen, a cool little pub:



Went with spaetzle, though, she would do German style potato salad, bigger schnitzel and offer the brown sauce/gravy on the side. Oh well.



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[CarlMega]

then I would certainly be willing to revise my position on certain things.

No one gives a fuck.

[riser4]

Jägerschnitzle with Spätzle. Potato salad goes with Maultaschen IN the broth.

[LongShortLong]

The most disturbing part of that graphic are the avg ages of the unvaccinated stats.

That means if they stratified the data by age, the already strong case for vaccination becomes much stronger. The median hospitalized vaccinated person is old 77, where the median hospitalized unvaxxed person is only middle aged 58.

[schindlerpiste]

I had chicken schnitzel tonight. Also Kloss mit sauce and rot kraut.

[bobz]

Personally, I like the complaints about not having enough free/cheap testing from gov't while complaining about the nanny state. Amazing.

Right up there with "I'm against communism!!"; and also, "Some shit is out of stock how come the state isn't doing more to control the means of production!!"