To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**old goat** · 08-03-2021, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Rideski

I’m sure they are all different, but the box I got fit me well. Not quite as good as a n95 behind the head band, but close. And when you’re breathing hard it pulls it to your face more anyway.

I also got a box of surgical masks, they are much less of a seal. But cheaper and easier to talk. I use them for quick/non close contact things. Still have quite a bit of both left over, but wondering if I should re-up before the price triples again.

The problem with high-efficiency masks and fit is that the harder it is to breathe through the mask the more you breathe around it. I'm not saying everyone needs to get N95's; that's not for me to say one way or the other. I'm still using 3 layer cotton masks ($5 for 48 masks--you want some?) I'm just giving information for people who feel the need for the highest level of protection--someone immunocompromised for example. Amazon has N95's as low as $1 each for 50 I think from a reputable manufacturer (unless they're counterfeit.)

**ex-powderbroker** · 08-03-2021, 10:16 AM

HPV could have its own thread. It is such a dangerous disease that was completely overlooked. Who doesn't have at least one relative that it could have been a contributing factor with regard to a serious cancer? And then you get the freedumb crowd spinning up the misinfo bs stream. Sad.

**Dexter Rutecki** · 08-03-2021, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

He’s vaccinated, you’re vaccinated, your kids are kids.

Wtf is the threat to anybody?

Yeah, I think you're probably right, BUT, jury is still out AFAIK on asymptomatic Delta transmission (if viral loads in someone with a breakthrough infection are actually as high as some are saying then the math could change on two vaxed people in close contact). Which leads to:

Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

God damn.

I know it’s my fault for reading the thread at all, but we’ve been post-Covid in my town for like 3 months. It’s crazy to check in here and see the same old mask and lockdown bullshit.

Get your shots, go live life, done…easy.

People who won’t get shots…whatever, not my problem.

Again, Delta. Vaxed people have spread it and we still have a huge population (under 12) 100% unvaxed--Delta may be affecting them in ways previous covid didn't, plus even if they're generally safe they can spread it, so masks in close contact/indoor areas are called for again. I don't like it, and I assume almost no one else does, but that's where we are (thanks, vax hesitant fuckwads).

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-03-2021, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by ml242

HPV could have its own thread. It is such a dangerous disease that was completely overlooked. Who doesn't have at least one relative that it could have been a contributing factor with regard to a serious cancer? And then you get the crowd spinning up the misinfo bs stream. Sad.

Not family, but I have a friend that got cancer on his tongue and his wife died from cervical cancer because they both had HPV

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**old_newguy** · 08-03-2021, 10:45 AM

So, is there any data on increased risk to kids from Delta?

Short term, long term, etc?

This has been at the front of my mind since my kids are in childcare.

KQ · 08-03-2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by ml242

HPV could have its own thread. It is such a dangerous disease that was completely overlooked. Who doesn't have at least one relative that it could have been a contributing factor with regard to a serious cancer? And then you get the freedumb crowd spinning up the misinfo bs stream. Sad.

Your body can produce antibodies against the virus and clear the virus,

Depending on the type of HPV that you have, the virus can linger in your body for years. In most cases, your body can produce antibodies against the virus and clear the virus within one to two years. Most strains of HPV go away permanently without treatment.

**rod9301** · 08-03-2021, 10:52 AM

Probably.

Btw, i, my wife and my children, 8 and 11 guy covid last December. I had mild symptoms for a couple of days, but the rest, no symptoms at all.

Which is worrying, because they could have infected lots of people. Luckily, they were out of school and we were self quarantining anyway, because of a trip to France.

I'm convinced that a lot of kids had covid and nobody knew.

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**Conundrum** · 08-03-2021, 10:53 AM

An anti-vaxxer buddy of mine just called to discuss getting the vaccine. He's one of the smarter and financially successful people I know if you don't count the anti-vax viewpoints. He's on the verge of getting the vaccine. Wanted my opinion so I gave it too him. Just pointed to our local health and welfare data showing that 98.7 of local hospitalizations and deaths are from the un-vaxxed. He was concerned about the enlarged heart issues so I asked him if he thought he was good at math. I think he's scheduling now.

In other news, Kaiser just announced effective 7/31 that they will continue to pay 100% of testing and vaccines but discontinue 100% payment of treatment for anyone over 12 meaning if you end up in the hospital, it will be treated as any other deductible and out-of-pocket expense. I agree with this move.

**ron johnson** · 08-03-2021, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by basinbeater

I did some digging on rj a couple years back when I was dumb enough to engage him on the global warming thread. It seemed to me that the had been a legit poster for a while, disappeared for a long while and reappeared as a troll. My money is on the account having been hacked and is an agent of disinformation and planter of distrust. I vote ban hammer.
That said, don't engage, and for fucks sake don't quote the piece of shit.

sent from Utah.

I'd love to see how you came to your conclusions.

You guys are nuts. Why is it so hard to believe I am who I say I am? I posted a picture of my snowboard quiver with a personalized TGR message, and somehow that wasn't good enough for you.

**Conundrum** · 08-03-2021, 10:55 AM

Maybe you should ski?

**PNWbrit** · 08-03-2021, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

He’s vaccinated, you’re vaccinated, your kids are kids.

Wtf is the threat to anybody?

Uber has a strict policy on this. If he doesn't want to comply with it maybe he can find other work?

**ex-powderbroker** · 08-03-2021, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by KQ

Your body can produce antibodies against the virus and clear the virus,

Depending on the type of HPV that you have, the virus can linger in your body for years. In most cases, your body can produce antibodies against the virus and clear the virus within one to two years. Most strains of HPV go away permanently without treatment.

my aunt got hpv and then cervical cancer when her husband cheated on her, but i’ll let her know!

KQ · 08-03-2021, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by ml242

my aunt got hpv and then cervical cancer when her husband cheated on her, but i’ll let her know!

How awful. My info comes from Johns Hopkins and other reliable medical sources as well as my own personal experience.

**Mofro261** · 08-03-2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by KQ

How awful. My info comes from Johns Hopkins and other reliable medical sources as well as my own personal experience.

Your own experience with cervical cancer? (91% of cervical cancer is caused by HPV infection, despite 90% of HPV infections clearing on their own).

KQ · 08-03-2021, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Mofro261

Your own experience with cervical cancer? (91% of cervical cancer is caused by HPV infection, despite 90% of HPV infections clearing on their own).

No. The virus. I'm not sure which variant I had but I cleared it years ago. My post wasn't about cervical cancer. I was speaking only about the fact that it is possible for the body to mount an immune reponse to the virus.

**jono** · 08-03-2021, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Uber has a strict policy on this. If he doesn't want to comply with it maybe he can find other work?

Well, he's driving for Uber, so...I mean, maybe?

Weird that Tor-tour specifically said he has kids that are NOT vaccinated but gets chastised for his concern. Hoping IAS' posts age well. A week ago things had been normal here for a while and from Monday to Monday we're up 400%.

**Art Shirk** · 08-03-2021, 02:23 PM

Is Coreshot in Reno? Maybe he was one of my drivers. Every single Uber I got in between Reno and SLT had windows up, AC on, no masks. They looked at me like I was an alien when I asked if they could refrain from being idiots for the short drive.

**huckbucket** · 08-03-2021, 02:30 PM

Have yet to find the lcd although this fucktard continues to be the leader in the clubhouse.

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**skaredshtles** · 08-03-2021, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by huckbucket

Hey Marj:

**bennymac** · 08-03-2021, 03:53 PM

Some idiots think that we should ignore all this because vaccinated people can get and transmit delta…

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 08-03-2021, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by bennymac

Some idiots think that we should ignore all this because vaccinated people can get and transmit delta…

But RJ said things were fine in FL

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**skaredshtles** · 08-03-2021, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

But RJ said things were fine in FL

That's probably a paid crisis-actor.

**splat** · 08-03-2021, 05:51 PM

When people on the right talk about “freedom” what they actually mean is closer to “defense of privilege” — specifically the right of certain people (generally white male Christians) to do whatever they want.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 08-03-2021, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

But RJ said things were fine in FL

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Totally. Things are going great. Covid-19 deaths for the week of 7/31 were 130 in FLA and 14 in NY State...those are absolute numbers, I didn't try to adjust for population density, but as you might expect that would make it worse for FLA.

**Dexter Rutecki** · 08-03-2021, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy

He’s vaccinated, you’re vaccinated, your kids are kids.

Wtf is the threat to anybody?

Originally Posted by splat

When people on the right talk about “freedom” what they actually mean is closer to “defense of privilege” — specifically the right of certain people (generally white male Christians) to do whatever they want.

Yup, pretty much. And that's how Trump got elected. White fear/resentment. Fucking crackers fucking shit up for everyone.