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  1. #5326
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahman View Post
    Now that mask mandates are dropped where I live, I try to let the science guide me. Indoors within 6 feet of people for 15 minutes? It's still a good idea to mask....
    The current science does not support the 6 feet/15 minute exposure theory. The CDC has finally gotten on-board with this "new" information and has finally changed its public-facing information about transmission but without a new rule of thumb for us lay folks to follow other than continue to wear a mask:
    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from inhalation of virus in the air farther than six feet from an infectious source can occur
    With increasing distance from the source, the role of inhalation likewise increases. Although infections through inhalation at distances greater than six feet from an infectious source are less likely than at closer distances, the phenomenon has been repeatedly documented under certain preventable circumstances. These transmission events have involved the presence of an infectious person exhaling virus indoors for an extended time (more than 15 minutes and in some cases hours) leading to virus concentrations in the air space sufficient to transmit infections to people more than 6 feet away, and in some cases to people who have passed through that space soon after the infectious person left. Per published reports, factors that increase the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection under these circumstances include:

    -Enclosed spaces with inadequate ventilation or air handling within which the concentration of exhaled respiratory fluids, especially very fine droplets and aerosol particles, can build-up in the air space.
    -Increased exhalation of respiratory fluids if the infectious person is engaged in physical exertion or raises their voice (e.g., exercising, shouting, singing).
    -Prolonged exposure to these conditions, typically more than 15 minutes.
    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    That article doesn't consider the B.1.617 strain from India, or any yet-to-arise variants. I'm not suggesting wearing a mask forever. Case numbers will be the best indicator, especially breathrough case numbers.
    Paul Offit is on the FDA committee that issues the EUA, he's co-invented a rotavirus vax, and he's Director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Childrenís Hospital of Philadelphia as well as the Maurice R. Hilleman Professor of Vaccinology and a Professor of Pediatrics at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. He's gone on the record recently stating that he wears a mask in public places because of the variants, uncertainty of the current vax efficacy to the variants, and the potential that there are "new" variants actively being spread in a community that have not yet been identified amongst the community and as being a concern for the larger public (he lives in a dense urban area).

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    Maine incentivizing people to get vaccinated with fishing and hunting licenses, park passes, ballgame and motor sports tickets, and LLBean gift cards...
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    In a scenario the CDC describes where an infected person and a potential infected person are spending significant time in an enclosed space without excellent ventilation and filtration--in other words restaurant, bar, workplace--it's not clear to me that even masks on both parties would be highly protective unless they were well fitted N95's (and in the first two obviously masks could not be worn at all times by the patrons). Vaccination would certainly help.

    I am not rigid about avoiding the scenario--I spent a fair amount of time inside a hospital a couple of times recently for tests. Since the pandemic started the worst place has been the Truckee PO--after spending a long time waiting a couple of times and finally leaving I gave up ordering anything large from Amazon--always USPS here and you have to pick up at the PO.

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    There was an outbreak amongst staff at my local post office. I now have a new mail carrier as a result (IDK what happened to her other than that she got sick).

    my 15 year old is now scheduled for shot #1 on friday afternoon.
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    Went to the health club today to use the pool and hot tub--no masks on employees or patrons. Went to the tire shop--no masks. Went to the pizza place to pick up dinner--no masks. Masks are a thing of the past here, unless you go to Costco or Target or a national chain store, or a school. Not saying it's good or bad, just the way it is.

    Now that our legislature has blackmailed counties into conforming to state restrictions (which are currently zero) or lose funding, it's pretty much full steam ahead, damn the torpedos. Be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months. So far active cases statewide seem to be hovering around 1,000 for the past couple months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Ohio ftw with their $1M a week lottery for anyone who gets the vax.

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    Good for Ohio. That's very good policy.

    If you live in Utah or in the intermountain west more broadly, don't assume that COVID hospitalization rates are dropping this month. It's still endemic and I don't see it tapering off significantly from what we saw in March. I know we are all exhausted from the past year (I am), but this shit isn't going away as quickly as i had hoped in, say, January or February.

    You should not count on herd immunity to save you from getting sick. Get the shot if you haven't yet.

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    A lot of dum fucking people but you don't think Trump could have saved a couple hundreds thousand live with a different response, something Bidenesque for instance ?

    I disagree
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    I just watched the Vaccine Town Hall live on TV. On the panel were Faucci, the Surgeon General, and Xavier Brecera (HHS, I think ??).

    I gotta say, I was really impressed with the Surgeon General. Speaks very plain and is very relatable and compassionate.

    Overall: anyone who wants to complain about anything vaccine related should watch the Town Hall. They answered a lot of the same questions the trolls here are huffing about. And the entire panel used very clear and plain language. Very well done.


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    ^^^
    Problem is the idiots wonít see/hear anything from that town hall. Iím sure Fox didnít even report that it was happening. And their Facebook friends are probably saying the town hall was a deep state op.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
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    ophthalmologist dammit

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    The obligatory "and how'd it go for you" data point: Moderna #2 yesterday, and it wasn't terrible, but I did have a bout of chills (minor fever I presume, not like the 103 I experienced with Shingrix) at bedtime, woke up with a headache, and was generally tired all day (took a nap in the afternoon even). Yay, I made it to the Covid finish line (after 13 more days anyway)!!

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    Memer didnt have his glasses on

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    Memer didnt have his glasses on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    No one knew what to do at the beginning of the pandemic
    Horseshit. The CDC has been preparing for pandemic scenarios for at least 50 years.

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    I thought this was a joke, but apparently some anti mask/anti vaxxers are now worried that vaccinated people will shed their Bill Gates 5G proteins, so they're going to... mask up and social distance. It's a crazy topsy turvy world we live in. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nn...the-vaccinated

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Horseshit. The CDC has been preparing for pandemic scenarios for at least 50 years.
    Welcome to how the Federal government operates. Doesn't matter how well they've planned things out. They move like a slow turning supertanker. "LOOK OUT! AN ICEBERG/ISLAND/BOAT/WHATEVER!!!!" "HARD TO PORT!!!" [SPINS WHEEL] nothing, nothing, nothing, slight movement an hour later, starting to turn... [CRASH!] "Hey, we did all we could."

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    I thought this was a joke, but apparently some anti mask/anti vaxxers are now worried that vaccinated people will shed their Bill Gates 5G proteins, so they're going to... mask up and social distance. It's a crazy topsy turvy world we live in. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nn...the-vaccinated
    Yup. Our local troll Ana Conteras is all over that posting on the County Health page about the horrors of shedding.

    Gots to get me some pine needle tea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    Ohio ftw with their $1M a week lottery for anyone who gets the vax.

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    This is from the front page of cleveland.com today. Check out Gov. DeWine's hearing impaired interpreter in the background. I gotta think she's stoked about the million dollar lottery plan.



    Also, kudos to DeWine for implementing a once a week lottery for kids who get vaccinated who will win full tuition to any of Ohio's state universities.

    Now those are some incentives for those Buckeyes up north.

    https://www.cleveland.com/coronaviru...-drawings.html
    Free 4 year tuition for lucky jab recipients
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenboy View Post
    I thought this was a joke, but apparently some anti mask/anti vaxxers are now worried that vaccinated people will shed their Bill Gates 5G proteins, so they're going to... mask up and social distance. It's a crazy topsy turvy world we live in. https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nn...the-vaccinated
    LOL!!

    Real facts and science wont sway the Trumptarded, but come up with an absurd conspiracy that doesnt make any sense and all of a sudden they are concerned!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    LOL!!

    Real facts and science wont sway the Trumptarded, but come up with an absurd conspiracy that doesnt make any sense and all of a sudden they are concerned!!!


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    Not just concerned, they're scared!

    While the conspiracy is baseless, the fear it is causing vaccine skeptics is very real.
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    Man if I were an Ohioan who got vaccinated as soon as I could I'd be royally pissed about the $1M lottery. Like if I bought an Epic pass and then they cut the price but not for people who already bought one.
    What do you expect from dumb fuck Buckeyes?

    Re the vaccinated shedding--I hear that was started by Anthony Fauci.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    So. Simple's admitting that wearing a mask post-vaccination is nothing but "Covid Theater"? If it's just to make people "feel safe," sounds kinda unscientific if you ask me. I want to see ANY evidence that people who are vaccinated are any significant vector of transmission.
    What I HAVE seen is this and it seems promising: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
    So, yes. KenJong. It IS ridiculous that people feel the strong 'need' to wear their masks post-vaccination. Unless they're just trying to signal to other that they're a member of the Branch Covidians. Worshipping at the altar of Saint Fauci. After the world is vaccinated and we've reached some reasonable level of herd immunity, whatever that is, then wearing masks will just be the new equivalent of the Jesus fish. Especially those who wear them while alone in their cars cruising down the interstate.
    You never explained why people wearing masks redundantly has any negative effect on you.

    Or is it yet another disingenuous argument from a conservative?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summer View Post
    We've been pulling for the US to make it to the other side.
    Thanks for your posts Summer. It's interesting to get your perspective from down under.

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