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    I see hydraulic turtles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    This would be good news if it turns out to be correct.

    Scant evidence for easy transmission of breakthrough infections

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...s-transmission

    Next up: anti-vaxxers claim the COVID they caught from a vaccinated person wasn't "pure COVID" and therefore caused them a vaccine injury. Or something else equally stupid.

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    So it sounds like 40% of TSA agents are currently unvaxxed. The deadline to get vaxxed is right before Thanksgiving. Iím beginning to wonder whether there are going to be huge shortages of workers during the holidays equating to super long lines at the airports. Or will enough change their mind and get vaxxed by then?

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    I can't see or hear the word scat without being reminded of the bear safety spoof sign..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    They need to get serious and just offer an additional $1,000 tax exemption/credit for every vaxed adult in your household. That way it doesn't give the covIDIOTS anything extra for holding out and being assholes about it or just plain legit scared. We all get the free money, a bunch of them hop off their high horse and finally get vaxed.. win win! Oh and raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it.. That can be figured out later.. Next year add a credit for child dependents getting vaxed.. Too soon to force it on kids right now IMHO even though I'd totally vax my kids the day it's approved.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I can't see or hear the word scat without being reminded of the bear safety spoof sign..
    Smells like pepper and has bells in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    This would be good news if it turns out to be correct.

    Scant evidence for easy transmission of breakthrough infections

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...s-transmission
    Thanks for sharing

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    So it sounds like 40% of TSA agents are currently unvaxxed. The deadline to get vaxxed is right before Thanksgiving. Iím beginning to wonder whether there are going to be huge shortages of workers during the holidays equating to super long lines at the airports. Or will enough change their mind and get vaxxed by then?
    First thought is no way they will give up those jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    First thought is no way they will give up those jobs.
    OTOH, if there's anyone that doesn't believe the government it's going to be the people who play at security theater for a job.

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    We Accidentally Solved the Flu. Now What?

    Each year, on average, the flu sickens roughly 30 million Americans and kills more than 30,000. However, during the 2020–21 flu season, the US recorded only about 2,000 cases. This is 17,000 times fewer than the 35 million it recorded the season before. That season, the flu killed 199 children; this past season, as far as we know, it killed one.

    The article goes on to posit the question of should we continue living like we have been during the pandemic to save these 30,000 people each year? Should we keep wearing masks during flu season indefinitely? Should we have temporary lock downs during flu outbreaks?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...choice/620373/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    They need to get serious and just offer an additional $1,000 tax exemption/credit for every vaxed adult in your household. That way it doesn't give the covIDIOTS anything extra for holding out and being assholes about it or just plain legit scared. We all get the free money, a bunch of them hop off their high horse and finally get vaxed.. win win! Oh and raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it.. That can be figured out later.. Next year add a credit for child dependents getting vaxed.. Too soon to force it on kids right now IMHO even though I'd totally vax my kids the day it's approved.
    Great idea, but rather than the hitting the wealthy for the credit, the non vaxed get to pay in $1k a year until the bill is settled. Then the moran's have double the incentive to get vaxed.
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    I think you'd have an easier time understanding people if you remembered that 80% of them are fucking morons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    They need to get serious and just offer an additional $1,000 tax exemption/credit for every vaxed adult in your household. That way it doesn't give the covIDIOTS anything extra for holding out and being assholes about it or just plain legit scared. We all get the free money, a bunch of them hop off their high horse and finally get vaxed.. win win! Oh and raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it.. That can be figured out later.. Next year add a credit for child dependents getting vaxed.. Too soon to force it on kids right now IMHO even though I'd totally vax my kids the day it's approved.
    They tried offering money in Alberta it was only 100$, it didnt really work

    what does seem to be working is taking things away using the vaccine passport, so jobs/ the abilty to work/ travel/ fly/ go for a beer/ go to a movie/ go to a restaurant

    In BC the unvaxed can buy food, gas and sit at home with no money cuz some will be losing jobs and thats about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    The article goes on to posit the question of should we continue living like we have been during the pandemic to save these 30,000 people each year? Should we keep wearing masks during flu season indefinitely? Should we have temporary lock downs during flu outbreaks?
    The article asks if we should stop turning ordinary fries into freedom fries with just a cough by doing the sorts of things we should have been doing all along, not full pandemic measures:

    • Paid sick leave
    • CDC should recommend that people wear masks when symptomatic
    • Get a flu shot

    Early in the pandemic one of trolls here said "what are we supposed to do stay home every time we have a sniffle?" Yes, that's basically it.

    Contrary to the "pandemic" framing, the author argues against demanding too much. It's a call for a cultural change where instead of doing nothing symptomatic people take modest precautions against infecting others. Doing so "could reduce mortality by 25, 50, even 75 percent, which translates to tens of thousands of lives saved."

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    We Accidentally Solved the Flu. Now What?

    Each year, on average, the flu sickens roughly 30 million Americans and kills more than 30,000. However, during the 2020–21 flu season, the US recorded only about 2,000 cases. This is 17,000 times fewer than the 35 million it recorded the season before. That season, the flu killed 199 children; this past season, as far as we know, it killed one.

    The article goes on to posit the question of should we continue living like we have been during the pandemic to save these 30,000 people each year? Should we keep wearing masks during flu season indefinitely? Should we have temporary lock downs during flu outbreaks?

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...choice/620373/
    ZERO cases in Santa Barbara County in the 2020 calendar year. For all you fact checkers...enjoy:

    https://publichealthsbc.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Early in pandemic one of trolls here said "what are we supposed to do stay home every time we have a sniffle?" Yes, that's basically it.
    Man, pandemic aside... I am dumbfounded that professional people, with the privilege of choice, still act like it ok or not asshole-ish to show up at work sick. You have sick days. You have WFH options. Yet, you come into the office blowing your germs around, hacking in every hallway and corridor? I've seen it my entire career....fuck, people are gross, self-centered and simultaneously lacking of self-awareness.

    I succumb very easily to these office infections so I'm hyper-aware...and with that, the pattern is usually roughly the same: Patient a-hole zero shows up, infects several. Of those several, a few will continue to 'work through' and infect many others. And so on and so on, until there's a minor-demic going through the entire company.

    In the last ten years or so, I leverage my "fuck you" cred (maybe better put: fuck this) and when I saw that first asshole coughing tuberculosis phlegm everywhere... I pack my shit and head for the hills and just WFH until that shit runs its course. It does cause some minor disruptions in my day to day, but far less than being down for the count for 2 weeks.

    Sorry about the rant. Grown fucking adults....amazing.

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    It's a call for a cultural change where instead of doing nothing symptomatic people take modest precautions against infecting others. Doing so could reduce mortality by 25, 50, even 75 percent, which translates to tens of thousands of lives saved.
    So you mean socialism? Bah! Paid sick leave??? Its the slippery slope to Communism and yer gonna take away my gunz and freedums. /S
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Group of Redmond firefighters refuses COVID vaccine, asks city to keep them on the job
    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...em-on-the-job/
    Pearsonís wife said itís been hard to watch her husband go through the stress of worrying about how theyíll pay their mortgage and knowing there are people, including family and friends, who are angry with them. But he wonít be getting vaccinated.

    ďHeís losing this career that he really loves,Ē she said.
    For God's sake, just get the fucking shot. It's really that simple!! I just don't understand these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Man, pandemic aside... I am dumbfounded that professional people, with the privilege of choice, still act like it ok or not asshole-ish to show up at work sick. You have sick days. You have WFH options. Yet, you come into the office blowing your germs around, hacking in every hallway and corridor? I've seen it my entire career....fuck, people are gross, self-centered and simultaneously lacking of self-awareness.

    I succumb very easily to these office infections so I'm hyper-aware...and with that, the pattern is usually roughly the same: Patient a-hole zero shows up, infects several. Of those several, a few will continue to 'work through' and infect many others. And so on and so on, until there's a minor-demic going through the entire company.

    In the last ten years or so, I leverage my "fuck you" cred (maybe better put: fuck this) and when I saw that first asshole coughing tuberculosis phlegm everywhere... I pack my shit and head for the hills and just WFH until that shit runs its course. It does cause some minor disruptions in my day to day, but far less than being down for the count for 2 weeks.

    Sorry about the rant. Grown fucking adults....amazing.
    I think this has a lot to do with company culture and what happens to your workload when you are out.

    People work when they are sick because it is directly or indirectly encouraged by the company/supervisor regardless of sick leave policy. If my workload is covered by someone else or my deadline shifts slightly then Iím inclined to take the time, if it just means I get to work extra long days on the back end of a minor cold, wellÖ. Selfish me wants to work through it. (Not that I wouldnít prefer to be hanging in the couch getting better.)

    Iím thinking that moving forward there is going to be a lot of social stigma to showing up sick. WFH flexibility changes the game for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    People work when they are sick because it is directly or indirectly encouraged by the company/supervisor regardless of sick leave policy.
    There's probably some of this, but I also think it's primarily driven by people who were brought up to believe missing work for being sick is a sign of weakness and that always showing up is the manly thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    I think this has a lot to do with company culture and what happens to your workload when you are out..
    I don't disagree. Culture. Practical choices. Both influence.

    I find this interesting in my current workplace, my colleagues all have WFH available since Moses wore short pants. The company pushes daily emails (during flu season), reminders that stress they don't want you in the office when you are symptomatic. Direct leaders verbally say the same. Yet, the same people show up sick. It's sort of a microcosm of the pandemic: some people will never get it. The good news is many do and taking consideration of your personal health in respect to your colleagues doesn't raise an eyebrow anymore. And also like the pandemic, I don't want to yield this ground gained and revert back to the counter productive 'tough it out' narrative. So culture, condemnation, options, policy and avenues to manage that workload all have to synergize to overcome habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    I don't disagree. Culture. Practical choices. Both influence.

    I find this interesting in my current workplace, my colleagues all have WFH available since Moses wore short pants. The company pushes daily emails (during flu season), reminders that stress they don't want you in the office when you are symptomatic. Direct leaders verbally say the same. Yet, the same people show up sick. It's sort of a microcosm of the pandemic: some people will never get it. The good news is many do and taking consideration of your personal health in respect to your colleagues doesn't raise an eyebrow anymore. And also like the pandemic, I don't want to yield this ground gained and revert back to the counter productive 'tough it out' narrative. So culture, condemnation, options, policy and avenues to manage that workload all have to synergize to overcome habit.
    Iíve been asking my organization if they are going to ask/pressure/tell people who are symptomatic to go home and WFH.

    Havenít heard much so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    There's probably some of this, but I also think it's primarily driven by people who were brought up to believe missing work for being sick is a sign of weakness and that always showing up is the manly thing to do.
    Ding ding ding.

    Canít tell you how many companies Iíve worked at where people with no ďcall offsĒ get awards.

    Attendance bonuses etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    I’ve been asking my organization if they are going to ask/pressure/tell people who are symptomatic to go home and WFH.

    Haven’t heard much so far.
    Honestly, that's sort of a bummer. Esp in the COVID times. I wish you well in that setting.

    Without getting to much into the detail, I work for a large multinational these days with quite a bit of European sensibilities and influences. All our offices are de-facto closed during the entire pandemic - huge workforce too. Now, our US presence doesn't reflect all the advantages as those granted to our Euro counterparts... but their influence shapes the baseline expectations for a workplace. So - there are positives there - I'd consider working for an entirely Euro-based company; in general, I think they offer more to their employees. Moot for me tho, I'm remote and winding down & out. I buried the lede here: based on what I've seen - Euro companies are taking better employee precautions during the pandemic than the US ones; where I work they are not fucking around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Man, pandemic aside... I am dumbfounded that professional people, with the privilege of choice, still act like it ok or not asshole-ish to show up at work sick. You have sick days. You have WFH options. Yet, you come into the office blowing your germs around, hacking in every hallway and corridor? I've seen it my entire career....fuck, people are gross, self-centered and simultaneously lacking of self-awareness.

    I succumb very easily to these office infections so I'm hyper-aware...and with that, the pattern is usually roughly the same: Patient a-hole zero shows up, infects several. Of those several, a few will continue to 'work through' and infect many others. And so on and so on, until there's a minor-demic going through the entire company.

    In the last ten years or so, I leverage my "fuck you" cred (maybe better put: fuck this) and when I saw that first asshole coughing tuberculosis phlegm everywhere... I pack my shit and head for the hills and just WFH until that shit runs its course. It does cause some minor disruptions in my day to day, but far less than being down for the count for 2 weeks.

    Sorry about the rant. Grown fucking adults....amazing.
    It gets tougher when you ask kids to stay home when sick. Kids in daycare get sick almost every month, often with symptoms lingering for a week or two. Parents don't have weeks upon weeks available to stay home and watch the kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    It gets tougher when you ask kids to stay home when sick. Kids in daycare get sick almost every month, often with symptoms lingering for a week or two. Parents don't have weeks upon weeks available to stay home and watch the kids.
    In our district, if your kid takes a sick day for ANY reason they can not return excused without either a negative COVID test or a legit doctor's/dentist note saying they were out for something else not COVID related. saying they had a headache or anything is no longer excused without the test or a doc note.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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