To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[ex-powderbroker]

I think the GOP driven media are no fucking help at all in this mess. Sadly, as you said, they have dug in their heels, but tell me....why isnt the blue line even bigger? I think the mix is more than we (here) choose to believe. I just dont believe its as cut and dry as "if all the trumptards stepped up" this would be over...

I don't think anyone is saying that only GOP voters are dragging their heels, it's simply one of a few prominent groups (that happens to be making a huge stink about it).

Hey, this is upbeat!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...acias-covid-19

(borat: not)

[Skidog]

Which is exactly the opposite of what the data show, it seems to me (assuming they mean in comparison to those who have been vaccinated).

why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...

[Skidog]

I don't think anyone is saying that only GOP voters are dragging their heels, it's simply one of a few prominent groups (that happens to be making a huge stink about it).

Hey, this is upbeat!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...acias-covid-19

(borat: not)

I agree that the right wing media is making the most noise....sadly...and that sucks balls.

[MultiVerse]

why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...

Your article did say in addition to inducing antibodies, vaccines also allow a person to acquire immunity through additional mechanisms.

The additional mechanisms also provide protection against Mu if you ever encounter the variant in the wild. And if that happens, you will come away even better protected than before. The vaccines are helping, not hurting, your ability to acquire immunity to variants.

Even if vaccination doesn't always prevent infection, it lessens disease severity, and your immune systems still adapts. The only caveat, there does seem to be an upper limit on how much immunity a person can acquire to a particular pathogen but that's true whether a person is vaxxed or infected in the wild.

[The AD]

why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...

The new Mu variant of the novel coronavirus is more than seven times more resistant to antibodies created by vaccinations than the original strain of the virus, a study by a Japanese research team has found.

See the 7.6x figure in the graph Mofro posted. So to me "the purpose" is to state that Mu has substantial resistance to antibodies created by vaccinations (compared to the original strain). The thing it is also resistant to antibodies produced by those who have been naturally infected, and that number is actually 12.4x, so the data still suggests vaccinations are better, but the story didn't really address that point at all (at least that's my layman's take).

[The SnowShow]

Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?

[skaredshtles]

Annnnnnd now the morons are ingesting Betadine to fight off Covid.......We are so fucked:

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...926735360?s=20

"Betadine is highly toxic and poisonous when ingested"

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Don’t really care anymore. I mean I wish no harm to anyone, I just don’t care either way. There’s no changing the course we’ve set. Enjoy the ride, good luck all!


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[MultiVerse]

Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?

It's not more deadly if you're vaccinated because no variant has evolved to date that completely evades our vaccines. Plus, exposure in the wild boosts the immune response along with mature antibodies. Thanks to hybrid immunity if your memory B cells see a variant in the future, they adapt their antibodies towards those variants.

[concretejungle]

"Betadine is highly toxic and poisonous when ingested"

I just want to take a moment in this highly informative shit show of a thread to say you’ve been doing some fine work with these gifs.

[LongShortLong]

The skipooch is onto something with the fire comparison.

Last year, only 3,400 people (US) died from fire, yet we require all 140 million homes to meet fire code. Why do that? We're all made of mostly water and water puts out fires. Were so dum

Last Thursday, 3,200 people died from covid (NYTimes). We should require prevention already.

[Skidog]

See the 7.6x figure in the graph Mofro posted. So to me "the purpose" is to state that Mu has substantial resistance to antibodies created by vaccinations (compared to the original strain). The thing it is also resistant to antibodies produced by those who have been naturally infected, and that number is actually 12.4x, so the data still suggests vaccinations are better, but the story didn't really address that point at all (at least that's my layman's take).

My point exactly. It could easily be misleading IMHO

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[ill-advised strategy]

Sure. Why look at the county level when you can obfuscate with state-wide data that proves your point?

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That’s closer than what I imagined!

[ill-advised strategy]

Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?

Mu!


Muuu

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Don’t care. You guys are all chasing your own tails.


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[Skidog]

That’s closer than what I imagined!

No no ..you're reading it all wrong. 6% differences are apparently yuuuuge.

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[paulster2626]

Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?

Doesn't really matter - it can't compete with Delta at all on infectivity rates. Mu was in the USA already and peaked in late June.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/mu-c...oncerning.html

Mu, also known by scientists as B.1.621, is increasing its prevalence in some South American countries but is also decreasing in other regions of the world, especially where the delta variant is already circulating, she said.

Any new virus that emerges has to be able to compete with the “best of class,” and right now that is delta, said Dr. Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s health emergencies program. The delta variant tends to “outcompete” other variants, like mu, he said.

It doesn’t matter if a new variant has genetic changes that allow it to evade the protection of vaccines if it can['t] transmit efficiently, Ryan said.

[MultiVerse]

That’s closer than what I imagined!

A majority are vaccinated. Here's a breakdown according to polls:

88% Democrats
88% college grads
87% over 65 years
75% Hispanic
74% men
73% White
73% all Americans
72% women
68% Black
68% independents
64% non-college
63% under 35 years
60% Republicans

[skaredshtles]

I just want to take a moment in this highly informative shit show of a thread to say you’ve been doing some fine work with these gifs.

I must say... this one has been *invaluable* over the last, oh, 6 months or so. For so many things...

All the things, really.

Fuck, we are fucked.

[paulster2626]

Update from Onterrible on Vaccine Effectiveness

Vaccine Effectiveness (and trends)
Based on today's numbers, compared to an unvaccinated person, a fully vaccinated person (of any age) is:

84.3% or 6.4x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 89.9% or 9.9x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 94.4% or 18.0x less likely to be ICU’d

Based on 7-day average:
84.1% or 6.3x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 91.7% or 12.0x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 95.5% or 22.1x less likely to be ICU’d

Based on running average (since Aug 10):
85.0% or 6.7x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 90.4% or 10.4x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 96.0% or 25.3x less likely to be ICU’d

We are at 78% of age 12+ vaxxed. They work.

Also looks like we miiiiigggghtt be levelling off on Delta 4th wave but too soon to tell. Schools just fired up again so we'll see. Although, all government run schools (which is vast majority) have mask requirements all day and cohorts and things to mitigate spread. Additionally, while everything is open, there is still mask requirements in public buildings and we are approaching Sept 22 which is "vaccine passport day."

Just presenting some data to show what can happen if everyone more or less pulls in the same direction.

[The AD]

My point exactly. It could easily be misleading IMHO

Yes, I suppose you could say it's an error of omission.

No no ..you're reading it all wrong. 6% differences are apparently yuuuuge.

Again, I really think you're missing the big picture. The difference between the red and blue bars has been increasing with time. And the latest data shows a difference of 12 percentage points, which is pretty big when the lower one is 35%. So, yes, it is huge.

[Skidog]

Doesn't really matter - it can't compete with Delta at all on infectivity rates. Mu was in the USA already and peaked in late June.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/mu-c...oncerning.html

Yeah nobody can travel here or anything.

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[paulster2626]

Yeah nobody can travel here or anything.

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Didn't read the article, huh?

Mu was already in the USA, bruh. Tried to ramp itself up in June but then essentially died off 'cause Delta is king. I'm just repeating what actual virologists have pointed out. But, you do you, boo.

[Skidog]

Yes, I suppose you could say it's an error of omission.



Again, I really think you're missing the big picture. The difference between the red and blue bars has been increasing with time. And the latest data shows a difference of 12 percentage points, which is pretty big when the lower one is 35%. So, yes, it is huge.

And I believe that's a driver of hesitancy in at least some portion of the anti vax crowd. Messaging all the fuck over the place.

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[Conundrum]

A majority are vaccinated. Here's a breakdown according to polls:

88% Democrats
88% college grads
87% over 65 years
75% Hispanic
74% men
73% White
73% all Americans
72% women
68% Black
68% independents
64% non-college
63% under 35 years
60% Republicans

49% Idaho.