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  1. #12701
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    I signed up for a booster. Wide open schedule. Could have driven over this morning to get it.

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    hadn't seen this and got a chuckle...

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  3. #12703
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    ^ Wow. The real epidemic seems to be an epidemic of stupidity.

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    A big reason for the ongoing vaccine refusal is that it is a Republican strategy to undermine Biden's administration, at the cost of many thousands of human lives. Think of unvaxed people who die of Covid as jihadis, guaranteed a spot in heaven. (Not a heaven I would care to wind up in.)
    https://www.newyorker.com/news/lette...den-presidency
    " . . . the continuing loss of life is a result of G.O.P. political strategies that intentionally undermine the success of Biden’s policies."

    There are plenty of other reasons for refusal as we have discussed ad nauseum and plenty of refusers are not Republicans, but refusal as a political strategy certainly seems to be a major driving factor, especially in states whose (vaccinated) governors actively oppose vaccine and masking mandates. No amount of education is going to change this in the current political environment, which shows no sign of becoming less divisive. It's time to think seriously about travel bans and economic boycotts affecting states with resistance to vaccination at the statehouse. Refusing to accept covid patients in transfer would be a step too far but at least the sending state should be getting the bill.

  5. #12705
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    So if Moderna now "owns me" do they support me or am I like a stapler?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    hadn't seen this and got a chuckle...

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    This has some real “gold fringed flag” sovereign citizen vibes.

  7. #12707
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    How do we know the Justices are human? Ever seen one bleed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    How do we know the Justices are human? Ever seen one bleed?
    LOL.....true... They are among us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    There are plenty of other reasons for refusal as we have discussed ad nauseum and plenty of refusers are not Republicans, but refusal as a political strategy certainly seems to be a major driving factor, especially in states whose (vaccinated) governors actively oppose vaccine and masking mandates.
    This brings us back to the subject of truth and messaging. Just as much as the science is obvious, it shouldn't be controversial to recognize that it's possible to be pro-vax and anti-mandate. There is a long history of Americans thinking they can reach the right answers on their own and/or that forcing them is less effective than letting them figure it out. If the latter is true, then a governor who opposes mandates while actively campaigning for people to do the right thing is objectively taking the best course. And in that case, education and body counts are the only things that will influence the situation.

    I think it's possible that exasperation with the willfully ignorant is blinding a lot of people to what course of action actually has the best impact.

    FTR, I live in one of these states and I think we're lucky to have a governor who leads by example and who some people might listen to, since the other options (for these people) seem to be either a DeSantis or more open rebellion, kidnapping plots and the like.

  10. #12710
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    So if Moderna now "owns me" do they support me or am I like a stapler?
    As long as Moderna is now paying my taxes I'm okay with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    So if Moderna now "owns me" do they support me or am I like a stapler?
    You're a sheepler, obviously. A sleeping one nonetheless.
    It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    I think it's possible that exasperation with the willfully ignorant is blinding a lot of people to what course of action actually has the best impact.
    Are you suggesting the best course of action excludes a mandate? That makes a lot of assumptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazderati View Post
    Are you suggesting the best course of action excludes a mandate? That makes a lot of assumptions.
    Nope. I'm saying that labeling people that disagree with mandates as necessarily un-American or anti-vax is intellectually dishonest and drives down credibility, which interferes with education etc. It's counterproductive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    As long as Moderna is now paying my taxes I'm okay with it.
    FUCK YEAH....thats what im saying....
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Nope. I'm saying that labeling people that disagree with mandates as necessarily un-American or anti-vax is intellectually dishonest and drives down credibility, which interferes with education etc. It's counterproductive.
    Yawn. Same tedious bullshit. If we have just a little more empathy, try just a little harder they’ll come around

    man, for intellectual honesty, you could accept that mistakes by provax people aren’t driving refuseniks. Refuseniks are just miserable cunts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    Yawn. Same tedious bullshit. If we have just a little more empathy, try just a little harder they’ll come around

    man, for intellectual honesty, you could accept that mistakes by provax people aren’t driving refuseniks. Refuseniks are just miserable cunts.
    Or if honesty is too tedious, you (and the NYT) could just shut up about it. They're not paying you extra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Or if honesty is too tedious, you (and the NYT) could just shut up about it. They're not paying you extra.
    Ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    As long as Moderna is now paying my taxes I'm okay with it.
    They don’t pay their own taxes, what make you think they will pay yours?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    Ironic.
    Exactly

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Exactly
    I guess your smug sanctimony makes you clueless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Nope. I'm saying that labeling people that disagree with mandates as necessarily un-American or anti-vax is intellectually dishonest and drives down credibility, which interferes with education etc. It's counterproductive.
    ^This.
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    Laura fucking Loomer, that's the post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flounder View Post
    They don’t pay their own taxes, what make you think they will pay yours?
    FACT... We're just a writeoff. They are claiming depreciation on me for sure..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    I guess your smug sanctimony makes you clueless?
    It must, right? I mean it's always too much to ask you to re-read your posts. Here, lemme help: it's ironic that you complain about the difficulty and personal strain you feel associated with a conversation, while voluntarily participating in that conversation.

    Please feel free to assume that I'm too smug and sanctimonious to reach. That would be pragmatic for both of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Nope. I'm saying that labeling people that disagree with mandates as necessarily un-American or anti-vax is intellectually dishonest and drives down credibility, which interferes with education etc. It's counterproductive.
    They you're saying a mandate is reasonable if not desirable?

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