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  1. #12551
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deebased View Post
    Seriously, just put your mask on when you go outside.

    Remember when duh ScIeNCe said arrest those outside by themselves without a mask. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...virus-closures



    Nobody wants to smell your ironic coffee breath anyways.
    Holy fuck you are going senile old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deebased View Post
    Nobody wants to smell your ironic coffee breath anyways.
    I tried to order an ironic coffee at the OG Cruisin today, but all they gave me was regular coffee.

    So disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    More data from the UK about vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant:

    • Older groups see the most waning against infection, much less for under 65
    • 3 week interval between doses offers less protection than longer intervals
    • The mRNA vaccines are slightly more effective at conferring immunity
    • Protection against hospitalization shows very little waning for those without underlying health conditions
    • Even for +65, very little waning against severe illness without underlying health conditions
    • Very little waning against protection from death
    • Healthy people likely don't need boosters to protect from severe outcomes but boosters appear to protect from infection over the shorter study time period
    • The UK will offer boosters to nursing home residents, followed by +50, frontline health care, and all adults with underlying health conditions


    Something to keep in mind is Delta studies are based on real-world data, which are influenced not only by variant transmissibility but also by overall population immunity, prevalence, and human behavior. So lower vax rates in the US probably explains why we're seeing worse outcomes.

    https://khub.net/documents/135939561...8-11ba2c6f5801
    Looking at Table 1, Spikevax (Moderna) is looking strong against symptomatic infection. Quite a bit better than the other two. Would be nice to see more data in the longer time periods (to tighten the uncertainty range).

    Also, I have a different take on the waning immunity vs symptomatic infection than some. Looks to like boosting back to original effectiveness cuts the risk of infection in half. That to me is a good argument for a booster, especially during any surge. Yes, boosting from 80% to 90% is "only" a 10% effectiveness increase - but, turning that around, infection chance drops from 20% to 10%, a 50% risk reduction.

    I also wonder if AZ, Pfizer folks should prefer boosting with Moderna. Does a Moderna boost give the same benefits as if they had Moderna originally? The immune system is complicated enough it may not work that way. Perhaps the Canadian mix and match studies give some hints.

    Salt - my speculation, preprint, etc.

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    FWIW (which I know is $0)

    I work as an RN in an emergency department in a Northern Rockies freedumb state. Shit is blowing up right now, worse than ever. Overwhelming majority of covid cases I see are unvaccinated freedumbers. I do occasionally see some breakthrough cases, all of which are fat and/or old. The vast majority are discharged, but it's always the antivaxers that throw an irrational fit: "I'm really sick!!! I need to stay in the hospital!!! Give me another warm blanket now!!!!" despite stable vitals, negative imaging and blood work. The worst is when you're trying to discharge them out of a room to flip it for one of the 30 people who have been in the waiting room for 4 hours and they have a psychotic meltdown. I'm not one to call security unless I feel physically endangered, but I'm afraid it's going to be necessary just to get the mildly sick narcissistic freedumbers out to make room for others. I get that I signed up for this shit when I decided to be an ER nurse, but its getting pretty stale pretty fast.

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    You didn't sign up for THIS shit. It's hard to imagine that a segment of the population could be so harmfully selfish and narcissist. Sending vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfoot View Post
    The vast majority are discharged, but it's always the antivaxers that throw an irrational fit: "I'm really sick!!! I need to stay in the hospital!!! Give me another warm blanket now!!!!" despite stable vitals, negative imaging and blood work. The worst is when you're trying to discharge them out of a room to flip it for one of the 30 people who have been in the waiting room for 4 hours and they have a psychotic meltdown.
    So you're telling us that some of them don't think it's all a hoax anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    So rather than criticizing the examples of anti vaxers who have gotten severely ill and maybe died recently, some very high profile skeptics.. why not post some examples of pro vaxxers who got severely ill or were killed by the vaccine... or by the virus??


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    Quote Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile View Post
    ^^^ Reddit/HermanCainAward special. That page is terrifying , depressing and senseless all at once


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    Yeh but I'm vaxxed. All you idiots seem to ignore that fact. I'll get my 9 yr old vaxxed as soon as the FDA gets off their asses. Doesn't mean I don't see the other studies. You can't ignore natural immunity. Fuck NPR (which I'm sure you idiots eat up) ran a piece on super immunity or some shit. Was posted in this very thread. You all ignored it.

    I did not post it ....I believe one of "the Borg" actually mightve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    imagine.... being so feeble-minded that you will just believe anything you hear because it reinforces your faulty world view.
    Sounds like 90% of this board.

    Y'all think you're magical geniuses. Few medical types say what you like to hear and like skiing....fuck yeah...that's how I lean....just ignore the rest. Those other MDs and nurses and first responders are all just crazy stupid people. Should be cleansed from the earth.

    You should really listen to yourselves. Bunch of "my way or the highway" fuckwads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Yeh but I'm
    It was probably a good post in some way. Catchy, glib, ironic, amusing. I'm just guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Her lungs and heart are likely damaged - but if she survives she'll be added to the "covid doesn't kill young or healthy people" line of thinking. And she'll spend the rest of her life dealing with the after effects. And when that heart failure kicks in later in life she likely won't connect it to that time she almost died.

    It's like the dumbfucks saying shit like they are "admitted to hospital with covid *and with pneumonia". Like they can't admit that covid is what they have and what is causing them to struggle to breathe. Can't admit that the hoax pandemic is real.
    Thanks for the 1000 ft view doc...you seen her charts I assume? Got it all figured....she's fucked cause you guess it.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    What’s the over/under on reinfection for the unvaxed? I’ve read many accounts of people being catching it twice. Is there literature on the severity of the reinfected? Currently, is it possibly to become a recurring cycle if variants become more infectious, or immunity wains enough, etc.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    What’s the over/under on reinfection for the unvaxed? I’ve read many accounts of people being catching it twice. Is there literature on the severity of the reinfected? Currently, is it possibly to become a recurring cycle if variants become more infectious, or immunity wains enough, etc.?
    That's why we were told no herd immunity through infection, right? Pretty sure Huskydoc just mentioned signing a death cert for reinfected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    I'd do the same for someone saying on a public platform that seatbelts are a personal choice and that they don't work and then was ejected from a vehicle in a rollover. Then I would send thoughts and payers because those seem to help.

    I might poke fun of them when they say the ground injured them, not that they didn't wear seatbelts. All part of god's plan.
    Totally same..fyi. the only ones who die from not wearing seatbelts are those that die from that choice. Only one who benefits if they don't? Insurance companies...someone not wearing a seatbelt will likely never kill you because of it. Maybe but million to 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    What’s the over/under on reinfection for the unvaxed? I’ve read many accounts of people being catching it twice. Is there literature on the severity of the reinfected? Currently, is it possibly to become a recurring cycle if variants become more infectious, or immunity wains enough, etc.?
    Yeah I only said that like a week ago and got the Bs about how the variants or blah blah blah, but you know since you mostly follow the "Borg" it's all good and we will say yeah "could be".

    Retards.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Hey skidouche

    I live with a medical provider who has worked for a year and a half to treat freedumb antivaxxers in this community and I’m calling straight bullshit on your claims that there is anywhere near a consensus of medical professionals that think post infection natural immunity is any more effective, not to mention lower risk, to the individual or their communities than the vaccines. Not one of the providers in their group would agree with you either. In fact the medical community is sick of this shit.

    We all listen to the other side, we just have the ability to recognize straight bullshit when we hear it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    That's why we were told no herd immunity through infection, right? Pretty sure Huskydoc just mentioned signing a death cert for reinfected.
    Also no herd immunity because of new humans entering the world and the increase in R0 for delta moved the goal posts. Eventually huskydoc (i missed that post-can’t keep up) will likely sign a certificate for somebody vaxed…. But, we got the people with the too big mics that seem to influence policy (ie Gandhi) indicating that those infected should be getting “passes,” like what Israel has done. Eventually, if there’s cyclical rounds of reinfections, the likelihood of getting long covid or cumulatively more severe symptoms…. Where’s that messaging.

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    governments around the globe advices to get a vaccination.

    not only in the usa

    or are u saying all the governments around the globe are all lying.

    and name a place where things are better than in your country?
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    Canada, if you'll excuse Alberta, the Texas of Canada.

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    So it appears that the 4th wave may be subsiding here in Ontario. We're at about 80% of eligible people vaccinated here (not partially), and the past few days have seen a small but steady reduction of the 7-day average and positivity rate. ICU rates seem to have levelled off as well. Everyone is waiting to see what impact return to school will have, but so far it's looking promising. Fingers crossed.

    We still wear masks inside public buildings, and in restaurants when you're walking from one location to another or in the washroom. I think that's kind of stupid and ineffective, but whatever. People comply, and I have yet to see any of these r/publicfreakout candidates in my daily travels. Anecdotally I went to a restaurant to meet up with some buddies last night, it was the first time I've dined inside since this whole thing started. Place was packed, and aside from the silly plexiglass barriers it felt like COVID never even happened. Felt good. Price of beer and food has increased by 40% though, WTF happened!

    So anyways, USA if you can get to 80% of age 12+ vaccinated and have people wear masks inside enclosed spaces at a ~95% compliance rate, you should be good to go. The good news is there are 2 ways to get to that 80% number. The bad news is one of those ways is expensive and really, really sad.

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    I'm less optimistic about the Ontario situation. I think Delta is going to rip through elementary schools like wild fire since none of the kids are vaccinated. And as the weather turns to shit, i.e. two weeks from now, there will be a lot more gatherings inside.

    Agreed that things have levelled off though, hopefully our case counts can remain stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tortoise View Post
    I'm less optimistic about the Ontario situation. I think Delta is going to rip through elementary schools like wild fire since none of the kids are vaccinated. And as the weather turns to shit, i.e. two weeks from now, there will be a lot more gatherings inside.

    Agreed that things have levelled off though, hopefully our case counts can remain stable.
    A year ago (and I realize things are different now) daily case counts and 7-day averages were already rising prior to school starting. This year the opposite is happening.

    Also from what we were told by the untrustworthy government, schools were not a driving factor in spread, and the cases reflected the amount present in the local community. Elementary students are all wearing masks, and they are very good at doing so! High school kids are more or less vaccinated, and more of them are getting vaccines every day. There are reasons to be optimistic.

    Either way, we'll see. But, and I realize it's early, so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Retards.
    You know this kind of thing isn't really your best look, Skidog.

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