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  1. #12301
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    Hi SkiDog, ASSpen, Steep et al!
    Have you had enough of bringing irrelevant and poorly researched articles to this Vaccine thread? Are you getting tired of bringing your uninformed, politically-biased whataboutism to a bunch of mags who have spent their lives studying this shit? I bet you have! Do you get tired of making Mofro, Tri Ungulate and others shake their head in disgust as you share yet another article from a 'reputable' news source (that also happens to have pop up ads for bitcoin and supplements). Are your tired of making Magnificent Unicorn stare in disbelief at your childish selfish statements after he has worked to help patients all day in the hospital? Is it getting tiring to spit out yet another irrelevant study comparing Sweden to Israel? Is is starting to get a little embarrassing to have mags need to explain the difference between a virus and a bacteria and why your 'scientific' statement is beyond garbage?

    I invite you to start "fresh" in the 98118 thread. While you will NEVER be allowed to physically enter my zip code, I can assure you that in the 98118 call out and food review thread, we welcome "newbies"'(jongs) and there is basically one long "hazing period" where I will verbally curb stomp you for your willful obstinance and your disrespect to healthcare workers and your communities. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. If you are tired of the rational and data-backed statements of this thread: "Come join the fun"! Also, no hot Jersey Babes for you. Even they would find you too fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    49% Idaho.
    Idahoís newest export - very sick people to WA, because its ICUs are overflowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Just heard first hand that Duke University Hospital currently has more COVID patients and beds full than at any other time throughout this pandemic. Wife's doc said they are completely dumbfounded and astounded at the completely irrational behavior these whack jobs are displaying by still refusing the vaccine and refusing to wear masks.
    Iíve become pretty convinced that a significant portion of these people have mental health problems.

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    20+ years of listening to hate and fear propaganda induces a place on the spectrum of a psychosis in some.
    A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.

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    I think I've got a metaphor for this situation.. LOOK AT THE BONES!! I warned you!

    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    I’ve become pretty convinced that a significant portion of these people have mental health problems.
    And most of them are very heavily armed. MURIKA!!
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    It’s been this way since the beginning of August at my hospital and others around the country. Nothing will change, you might as well ask a Christian to renounce God. Of course some of these people beg for the vaccine when they’re about to be intubated. First hand account. Buckle up and enjoy the ride
    Can you take them up on that? My wife just brought home a story from our local hospital: dumbass was in ICU for almost a month and when he was well enough to go home and they told him they recommended he get vaccinated he told them he just couldn't do that. Not even CTE. Just his own "moral" construct that all those experimental drugs are ok but anything that's been proven to work is a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    There are already threads all over NextDoor asking for plumbers and electricians who provide proof of vaccination and wear masks. The big companies are already requiring it but folks were trying to reward small businesses for doing the right thing while keeping their homes safe. The market ha spoken. Running out of "something new" options.
    Around here people have no problem with plumbers and electricians with leprosy, multi-drug resistant TB, pedophilia convictions--or they DIY and pray it doesn't leak or catch fire.

    I wonder what percent of NYC teachers are actually against the mandate--their union may be opposing it primarily for collective bargaining reasons but I gotta think a lot of those demonstrating are already vaccinated and would be very happy to have all their colleagues and students vaccinated.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Can you take them up on that? My wife just brought home a story from our local hospital: dumbass was in ICU for almost a month and when he was well enough to go home and they told him they recommended he get vaccinated he told them he just couldn't do that. Not even CTE. Just his own "moral" construct that all those experimental drugs are ok but anything that's been proven to work is a problem.
    Monica Gandhi is kinda sayin that natural immunity > vax immunity (at least Pfizer immunity) @20:11

    https://youtu.be/H3pAD0LOkZg?t=1227

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Monica Gandhi is kinda sayin that natural immunity > vax immunity (at least Pfizer immunity)
    She's saying because the two Pfizer shots in Israel were given so close together there might not have been as good of a Prime + Boost effect. It's about training the immune system. The same is true of natural infection. If a person only experienced a mild case then they might not have had a strong immune response.

    In the UK, which she also discusses, they followed a first dose first policy so doses ended up further apart. The Isreali study she mentions is also an observational study with several confounders. Whereas in the UK, they're doing randomized testing and their data shows vaccination offers more protection.*

    Which is not to say natural immunity doesn't provide good protection, but it tends to be less consistent, so we should probably only recommend a single dose for the previously infected.


    * The UK just released more data and people really need to not only get the second dose, or a single dose if prior infection, but also play it safe and avoid infection for at least three weeks afterwards to be fully protected.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    IMO, Gandhi has been given too large of a mic, likes to ride that edge, and has ended up on the wrong side too many times this year. Some of her op-Edís have done more damage than good.

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    She's in a large majority about hybrid immunity, at least--just jab em before they wake up.

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    Agree. Topol was claiming this in early aug or July.

    Iím seeing that video used by those claiming to have been infected as a reason to provided access equal to those that have been vaxed.

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    I listened further after posting and she does emphasize the Isreali study is likely biased towards severe convalescent cases WRT protection from natural infection.

    FWIW, she's not the only one saying prior infection offers good protection. More than objecting to an honor system, the issue I have is all the people who believe they've had Covid but don't *know* if they've had Covid.

    Colds and flu didn't stop happening. I recently caught RSV and it reminded me of all the people who were sick back in 2020 insisting they had Covid even though seroprevalence studies showed at the time only 2% had been infected. Not to mention all the people insisting herd immunity was right around the corner because asymptomatic infections were going uncounted. If they were right we wouldn't be seeing all cases we're seeing now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Agree. Topol was claiming this in early aug or July.

    Iím seeing that video used by those claiming to have been infected as a reason to provided access equal to those that have been vaxed.
    At least they're not using it to advocate for natural infection instead of vaccination. That's a popular view here. Haven't checked the shelves of the local co-op for Ivermectin, but lots of helpful advice about vitamins and what to be watching out for since all those people are getting so sick and dying with The Vaccine (singular--always singular).
    A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
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    People are advocating for natural immunity here, too.

    My whole family caught a cold two weeks ago. It was a little shocking.

    With natural and vax ďreinfectionĒ rates, isnít there something related to how recently youíve been vaxed or infected, antibody counts, and the opportunity for your body to respond more quickly to a new infection because your antibody levels are still high?

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    Baby delivered via Covid Cesarean doesn't even have a name because both unvaxxed parents died.

    A California couple died of Covid-19 weeks apart, orphaning 5 young children including a newborn
    ďWhen you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis


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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    IMO, Gandhi has been given too large of a mic, likes to ride that edge, and has ended up on the wrong side too many times this year. Some of her op-Edís have done more damage than good.
    Ding ding ding.

    Also wears rose-tinted glasses and bullies her coworkers. I'm sure she knows way more than me on most covid topics, but too often confidently makes statements I know are wrong. I don't trust her.

    On the topic, that John Campbell guy is off script or I missed a memo. Last week or so, he's saying he wants to get infected intentionally to build immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    People are advocating for natural immunity here, too.

    My whole family caught a cold two weeks ago. It was a little shocking.

    With natural and vax “reinfection” rates, isn’t there something related to how recently you’ve been vaxed or infected, antibody counts, and the opportunity for your body to respond more quickly to a new infection because your antibody levels are still high?
    Some of the people pushing natural immunity are doing so because they want to prolong the pandemic for political reasons.


    Several studies show when reinfections do happen for natural or vax'd their symptoms are much less severe. Not all hospitalizations are the same and more often than not hospitalization vaccination breakthrough infections are mild and secondary to some other medical reason for being there.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    What Iím getting at is when I hear fauci discuss the success that is being reported from a third Pfizer booster dose, isnít that because of the predictable uptick in antibodies as a result of the booster vax and the ability for the body to respond more quickly to an infections when there are a lot of antibodies circulating around versus the memory B cells existing with minimal antibodies in circulation?

    For the studies demonstrating natural immunity being better against the delta variant over those that are vaxed, is there consideration of when that natural immunity occurred?

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    Yes, booster mostly results in extra antibodies, that will again wane, because that's how normal immune response works. The immune system also develops a broader response, leaving it better prepared for variants. I'd say which of B or T cells does the differentiation, but leave that to one of the bio guys who'll get it right. After eons of co-evolution, the immune system anticipates variants when it sees a viral protein multiple times. Pretty cool.

    For ending the pandemic, immunizing everyone is more important than boosters. That may take a while, so as an individual, I'll take the booster when offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    For the studies demonstrating natural immunity being better against the delta variant over those that are vaxed, is there consideration of when that natural immunity occurred?
    I don't believe any of the recent studies show that natural immunity is better than vaccination but that if you were previously infected and then are vaccinated there is a stronger immune response and greater protection against mutations than only being vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfcf13 View Post
    Hi SkiDog, ASSpen, Steep et al!
    Have you had enough of bringing irrelevant and poorly researched articles to this Vaccine thread? Are you getting tired of bringing your uninformed, politically-biased whataboutism to a bunch of mags who have spent their lives studying this shit? I bet you have! Do you get tired of making Mofro, Tri Ungulate and others shake their head in disgust as you share yet another article from a 'reputable' news source (that also happens to have pop up ads for bitcoin and supplements). Are your tired of making Magnificent Unicorn stare in disbelief at your childish selfish statements after he has worked to help patients all day in the hospital? Is it getting tiring to spit out yet another irrelevant study comparing Sweden to Israel? Is is starting to get a little embarrassing to have mags need to explain the difference between a virus and a bacteria and why your 'scientific' statement is beyond garbage?

    I invite you to start "fresh" in the 98118 thread. While you will NEVER be allowed to physically enter my zip code, I can assure you that in the 98118 call out and food review thread, we welcome "newbies"'(jongs) and there is basically one long "hazing period" where I will verbally curb stomp you for your willful obstinance and your disrespect to healthcare workers and your communities. The registration is easy and painless, and the rules will be explained in detail during the process. If you are tired of the rational and data-backed statements of this thread: "Come join the fun"! Also, no hot Jersey Babes for you. Even they would find you too fucking stupid.
    Fuck off tool. I have zero political motivation and I'm vaxxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Around here people have no problem with plumbers and electricians with leprosy, multi-drug resistant TB, pedophilia convictions--or they DIY and pray it doesn't leak or catch fire.

    I wonder what percent of NYC teachers are actually against the mandate--their union may be opposing it primarily for collective bargaining reasons but I gotta think a lot of those demonstrating are already vaccinated and would be very happy to have all their colleagues and students vaccinated.
    Yeah this is why a lot of them had "my body, my choice" signs I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Some of the people pushing natural immunity are doing so because they want to prolong the pandemic for political reasons.
    And some of those leaders invested heavily in Regeneron (monoclonal antibody treatment) before banning mask mandates.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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