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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?
    It's not more deadly if you're vaccinated because no variant has evolved to date that completely evades our vaccines. Plus, exposure in the wild boosts the immune response along with mature antibodies. Thanks to hybrid immunity if your memory B cells see a variant in the future, they adapt their antibodies towards those variants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    "Betadine is highly toxic and poisonous when ingested"

    I just want to take a moment in this highly informative shit show of a thread to say youíve been doing some fine work with these gifs.

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    The skipooch is onto something with the fire comparison.

    Last year, only 3,400 people (US) died from fire, yet we require all 140 million homes to meet fire code. Why do that? We're all made of mostly water and water puts out fires. Were so dum

    Last Thursday, 3,200 people died from covid (NYTimes). We should require prevention already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    See the 7.6x figure in the graph Mofro posted. So to me "the purpose" is to state that Mu has substantial resistance to antibodies created by vaccinations (compared to the original strain). The thing it is also resistant to antibodies produced by those who have been naturally infected, and that number is actually 12.4x, so the data still suggests vaccinations are better, but the story didn't really address that point at all (at least that's my layman's take).
    My point exactly. It could easily be misleading IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Sure. Why look at the county level when you can obfuscate with state-wide data that proves your point?

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    Thatís closer than what I imagined!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?
    Mu!


    Muuu

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    Donít care. You guys are all chasing your own tails.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Thatís closer than what I imagined!
    No no ..you're reading it all wrong. 6% differences are apparently yuuuuge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?
    Doesn't really matter - it can't compete with Delta at all on infectivity rates. Mu was in the USA already and peaked in late June.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/mu-c...oncerning.html

    Mu, also known by scientists as B.1.621, is increasing its prevalence in some South American countries but is also decreasing in other regions of the world, especially where the delta variant is already circulating, she said.

    Any new virus that emerges has to be able to compete with the “best of class,” and right now that is delta, said Dr. Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s health emergencies program. The delta variant tends to “outcompete” other variants, like mu, he said.

    It doesn’t matter if a new variant has genetic changes that allow it to evade the protection of vaccines if it can['t] transmit efficiently, Ryan said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    That’s closer than what I imagined!
    A majority are vaccinated. Here's a breakdown according to polls:

    88% Democrats
    88% college grads
    87% over 65 years
    75% Hispanic
    74% men
    73% White
    73% all Americans
    72% women
    68% Black
    68% independents
    64% non-college
    63% under 35 years
    60% Republicans

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    Quote Originally Posted by concretejungle View Post
    I just want to take a moment in this highly informative shit show of a thread to say youíve been doing some fine work with these gifs.
    I must say... this one has been *invaluable* over the last, oh, 6 months or so. For so many things...

    All the things, really.

    Fuck, we are fucked.


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    Update from Onterrible on Vaccine Effectiveness

    Vaccine Effectiveness (and trends)
    Based on today's numbers, compared to an unvaccinated person, a fully vaccinated person (of any age) is:

    84.3% or 6.4x less likely to get Covid-19
    (yesterday's) 89.9% or 9.9x less likely to be hospitalized
    (yesterday's) 94.4% or 18.0x less likely to be ICUíd

    Based on 7-day average:
    84.1% or 6.3x less likely to get Covid-19
    (yesterday's) 91.7% or 12.0x less likely to be hospitalized
    (yesterday's) 95.5% or 22.1x less likely to be ICUíd

    Based on running average (since Aug 10):
    85.0% or 6.7x less likely to get Covid-19
    (yesterday's) 90.4% or 10.4x less likely to be hospitalized
    (yesterday's) 96.0% or 25.3x less likely to be ICUíd


    We are at 78% of age 12+ vaxxed. They work.

    Also looks like we miiiiigggghtt be levelling off on Delta 4th wave but too soon to tell. Schools just fired up again so we'll see. Although, all government run schools (which is vast majority) have mask requirements all day and cohorts and things to mitigate spread. Additionally, while everything is open, there is still mask requirements in public buildings and we are approaching Sept 22 which is "vaccine passport day."

    Just presenting some data to show what can happen if everyone more or less pulls in the same direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    My point exactly. It could easily be misleading IMHO
    Yes, I suppose you could say it's an error of omission.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog
    No no ..you're reading it all wrong. 6% differences are apparently yuuuuge.
    Again, I really think you're missing the big picture. The difference between the red and blue bars has been increasing with time. And the latest data shows a difference of 12 percentage points, which is pretty big when the lower one is 35%. So, yes, it is huge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    Doesn't really matter - it can't compete with Delta at all on infectivity rates. Mu was in the USA already and peaked in late June.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/mu-c...oncerning.html
    Yeah nobody can travel here or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Yeah nobody can travel here or anything.

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    Didn't read the article, huh?

    Mu was already in the USA, bruh. Tried to ramp itself up in June but then essentially died off 'cause Delta is king. I'm just repeating what actual virologists have pointed out. But, you do you, boo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Yes, I suppose you could say it's an error of omission.



    Again, I really think you're missing the big picture. The difference between the red and blue bars has been increasing with time. And the latest data shows a difference of 12 percentage points, which is pretty big when the lower one is 35%. So, yes, it is huge.
    And I believe that's a driver of hesitancy in at least some portion of the anti vax crowd. Messaging all the fuck over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    A majority are vaccinated. Here's a breakdown according to polls:

    88% Democrats
    88% college grads
    87% over 65 years
    75% Hispanic
    74% men
    73% White
    73% all Americans
    72% women
    68% Black
    68% independents
    64% non-college
    63% under 35 years
    60% Republicans
    49% Idaho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    And I believe that's a driver of hesitancy in at least some portion of the anti vax crowd. Messaging all the fuck over the place.
    So red voters are worse at reading comprehension and interpreting data than blue voters, is that what you're suggesting?

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    Obviously
    A few people feel the rain. Most people just get wet.

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    Yes!

    Judge orders temporary halt to Iowa school mask ban.

    Remind that I have an 11 year old unvaxxed attending our covid exposure clinic schools.

    I sure hope Cedar Rapids Community schools will have their mask mandate back in place almost immediately.

    https://twitter.com/BethMalicki/stat...611156488?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    Yes!

    Judge orders temporary halt to Iowa school mask ban.

    Remind that I have an 11 year old unvaxxed attending our covid exposure clinic schools.

    I sure hope Cedar Rapids Community schools will have their mask mandate back in place almost immediately.

    https://twitter.com/BethMalicki/stat...611156488?s=19

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    Good thing we don't live here.. 'MURIKA Fuck Ya!

    NC school district quits most quarantines, contact tracing of COVID cases

    Public schools in Union County will significantly curtail coronavirus quarantine requirements and school nurses and staff will not conduct contact tracing in cases where a student or employee has tested positive for COVID-19.

    In an 8-1 vote, school board members approved the changes and said the effort will ease the workload of school nurses and staff and get “healthy children” back into the classroom.

    Close to 1 of every 6 children in Union County public schools has been forced to stay home over the last two weeks after being potentially exposed to COVID-19. That comes as the district remains one of only three in North Carolina to forgo recommended required masks in classrooms.

    Read more here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/ne...#storylink=cpy
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Explain the reason please?

    Hesitant because the vaccine has less reduction against Mu than natural infection does against Mu in the study you linked?

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    Why are you still trying? People lack basic reading comprehension and vocabulary. Iím done caring because no one cares, they just want to win and be right. Even if people are dying left and right.


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    Big rally of teachers on NYC today protesting vaccine mandates. Only people allowed in schools unvaxxed are under 12.

    Also another story out of "upstate". Maternity Ward at local hospital (town escapes me) had to stop doing deliveries because too many nursing and tech staff quit because of mandatory vax policies..that same hospital has seen something like 60 people quit recently, still has 165 people not vaxxed, and this is a total 650 employee place.

    What happens when there aren't enough teachers because of mandates? Enough nurses? Radiology techs?

    Prolly all Trumptards amirite??

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    So red voters are worse at reading comprehension and interpreting data than blue voters, is that what you're suggesting?
    Yes. That is what he said. And I agree.

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