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10-08-2021, 01:30 PM #15201
Know what has proven it can definitely have LOTS of severe long term effects? COVID
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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10-08-2021, 01:32 PM #15202
Associating concerns about environmental pollution with vaccines doesn't make sense because the health risks due to airborne pollution from tires are well documented. To say that because some of these things are known to cause harm we're going to ignore the known knowns and focus on the unknowns is a strange hill for anti-vaxxers to die on.
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10-08-2021, 01:38 PM #15203
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10-08-2021, 01:39 PM #15204
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10-08-2021, 01:43 PM #15205
A lot of people probably have MFCrayonEater on ignore, but the titles on his video are hilarious and certainly proves whatever point he was trying to make with his clever whattaboutism video.
DO YOU TRUST THE GOVENMENT?
THE GOVENMENT SAYS
DDT SO SAFE,YOU CAN EAT ITj'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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10-08-2021, 01:48 PM #15206yelgatgab
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10-08-2021, 02:06 PM #15207
(placeholding to comment )
altasnob -
'quantifying' the loss of a relative is a non-starter -
it is worth nothing, And it is priceless. Just don't take that bait - -
Some of the rest of your conundrum is not without merit - But
(but) I believe it is misguided to blame "grandpa" And I do not believe Vaccination for covid is the better target for the argument(s) - -
I am not sure how you believe the pandemic has damaged the Earth... (?)
capitalism ? capitalism - in a Nation where the national debt approaches thirty Trillion -
capitalism is broken. or the republic is broke-n. . . ( to say nothing about democracy )
"grandfather" ? . . . I think you need to define 'grandfather's generation -
My grandfather's have been dead since 1977 ( and were born in the 1800s ) -
my ancestors were part of amazing eras in History - I have far greater concerns about current generations and how last year seemed so very similar to 1968...
What has my generation done ( what have I done to improve the world ( twenty years in Afganistan (?) did we not learn anything from the Soviet Union (?) seven Trillion dollars... ) (?)
"young people" (?) What have we taught them... (?) ( to communicate electronically (?) to Be ( insulated. from people around them (?) )
luckily, Many young people still have time. . .
there is a lot of conspiracy in your post(s), altasnob -
This thread is about Vaccination for covid -
. . . I believe the products have been tested and found to be Very safe ( but not perfectly Safe )
I do not believe the covid vaccines have caused any deaths in children ( in part, Because the only children who have received the vaccination have been in the clinical trials. ... )
I do not believe your claim that children are going to be killed (through vaccination) to extend the lives of elders has merit.
Vaccination has merit --
Enough for now.
Good luck -
respectfully. tjLast edited by skiJ; 10-08-2021 at 03:45 PM.
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10-08-2021, 02:07 PM #15208
I certainly hope not. But if you think today's kids are going to grow up without studying these years in history classes, I think you're mistaken. That would be some weird cancel culture. If we do pull out of this widespread denial it's going to come with some uncomfortable realizations, and some of those will probably err to the unreasonable, whether that's guilt or blaming their parents for not putting masks on them. I hear baby boomers had plenty of parent blame.
But maybe we'll just stick with the denial. Texas curriculum committees FTW?A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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10-08-2021, 02:08 PM #15209
How did skidog get Altasnobs password?
Samuel L. Jackson as Jules Winnfield: Oh, I'm sorry. Did I break your concentration?
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10-08-2021, 02:27 PM #15210Registered User
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10-08-2021, 02:34 PM #15211
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10-08-2021, 02:43 PM #15212
I think it is because Pfizer is a smaller dose but smart people can answer. Personally, I trust the governments of Sweden, Denmark, and Finland more than the US.
All three countries based their decision on an unpublished study with Sweden’s Public Health Agency saying that it signals “an increased risk of side effects such as inflammation of the heart muscle or the pericardium” — the double-walled sac containing the heart and the roots of the main vessels. It added: “The risk of being affected is very small.”
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10-08-2021, 02:44 PM #15213
They're doing it out of an abundance of caution because they have more Pfizer data: “Based on the precautionary principle, we will in future only invite children and young people to receive [the Pfizer] vaccine, not least in view of the fact that it is for this vaccine that the largest amount of data from use exists for children and young people, especially from the USA and Israel,” -- Bolette Soeborg, Swedish health authority
It's ironic then that their decision is based in large part on data from the United States and Israel.
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10-08-2021, 02:52 PM #15214
goat -
the 'data' that was cited last weekend in USofA studies, warning of myocarditis in young males was attributed to VAERS' database -
If you are (talking) about the Swedish study, I looked for that information this morning, and found no report that included a link to the study, or an abstract for the study. ...
another poster has expressed concern about the abuse of the VAERS database -
given the credence that was given to studies that were based on statistical analysis from the VAERS database, I agree that input to the database should not be Open to the public - And
the idea that such (unpredictable. I have another term in mind ) 'data' / information might be used to slow implementation of the development of something like the covid vaccine. . .
no.
I will be glad to cite the studies I found and cited last Saturday -
IF you are saying the Swedish study is not based on the North American VAERS 'data' / information ,
I wish you had been clearer about that -
regarding leadership and decisiveness, I think we only have to look at the last two years to see neither approach is perfect -
personally, I would rather be told that something is not yet known, than to find out our 'confident' leader lied, Because the lie supported the politician's position.
in the articles about myocarditis in North America, such symptoms as chest pain were included with no diagnosis and "no follow up" to create statistical models that claimed 'myocarditis' at a rate and range of 6 (six) / 100,000 to (162.2) / 100,000 - depending on the keywords that included data-points from the database.
a Canadian study that sought to support the conclusion has already been withdrawn when the author acknowledged the (data) included was too broad for the conclusions it intended to support.
only One case of myocarditis was actually documented - and that was from a group ages 12-39 (Thirty-nine. hardly conclusive for those Under 18 ) --
I think I need to stop there.
( some of the other issues do not pertain to me. . . . )
I will continue to look for Information regarding the European decision ( - and I will comment to that in a subsequent response )
thanks for (listening) -
with due respect. tj
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10-08-2021, 03:05 PM #15215
- many comments to this above -
I believe the idea that there is more data surrounding the Pfizer vaccination has merit - but I would leave open any conclusion about the source (Country of origin) of that information -
ultimately, it does come down to Multi-'s citation of the idea of "abundance of caution" , and yet,
I know from experience that at least several ( if not many ) factors go into such a decision.
recreational drug use is not one of the acknowledged factors.
... wishing you peacefulness. tj
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10-08-2021, 03:38 PM #15216
SkiJ--I don't which study you are referring to that refers to statistical analysis of VAERS data. To statistically analyze raw data from VAERS is scientifically irresponsible. One would hope the editors of a reputable peer reviewed journal would agree. A study of cases pulled from VAERS and subject to further investigation and confirmation would be a proper use.
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10-08-2021, 04:03 PM #15217
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1
post #14871 ( October 3, 2021 )
Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
I haven't followed this completely (this time), but is the referenced study the same one where the "researchers" used data from VAERS and the CDC's definition of "likely" myocarditis (as in more likely than not...51% chance...not a clinical diagnosis) to come up with their numbers? Because the numbers listed sure sound familiar. That study was crap in more ways than one, but doubling the number of myocarditis cases is a pretty big one.
If this is a different study, please disregard.
yes, I believe it is it is that 'study' - a data collection that identified key words in documents.
Find link in the Guardian article, or,
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1
tj
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10-08-2021, 08:38 PM #15218Registered User
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that covid denying pro hockey player from Edmonton was found to have covid antibodies and was suffering from Myocarditis
I wonder if he is still a covid denyier ?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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10-08-2021, 11:50 PM #15219
Actually that seems like a reasonable use of VAERS. I only looked at the methodology. It seemed that they used enough filters to extract cases that qualified as myocarditis/pericarditis. They could have missed cases where the qualifying criteria were not included in the report as well as cases not reported, obviously. The main limitation of a study like this is that by changing the filters you can include more non-qualifying cases or exclude more qualifying ones.
As far as the conclusions reached by the authors I've commented before.
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10-09-2021, 05:33 AM #15220
COVID-19 causes Restless Anal Syndrome.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucele...h=579cf1125bf5
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10-09-2021, 09:21 AM #15221
They used the CDC definition of "probable myocarditis" and I couldn't find any correction for the probability. Did you see one? Or are you just agreeing with their methodology for extracting the data? Because I think my objections, as previously stated, start after the data is extracted. Not a reason to do away a with VAERS, it's just a reason to do away with the disingenuous....
A relevant look at myocarditis among the infected (note the more stringent criteria for inclusion):
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34341797/Last edited by jono; 10-09-2021 at 09:45 AM.
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10-09-2021, 10:24 AM #15222
I'm just agreeing with their methodology for extracting the data. It would be interesting to see Kaiser's numbers for this--when it comes to being able to get numbers for large populations Kaiser is like Sweden--data easily accessible from the electronic medical record, patients with vaccine complications almost certain to return to a Kaiser facility for diagnosis and treatment--even if they go to an outside ER they get transferred to Kaiser.
Despite the fact that post vaccine myocarditis seems to be self limited--so far--and despite the low risk there's enough evidence to warrant further study, including single dose, and consideration of using J and J for young men (but not for young women) . Nice to have different vaccine options.
New info keeps coming out, things keep changing.
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10-09-2021, 11:09 AM #15223
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10-09-2021, 11:13 AM #15224
Does the analysis of a vax cost benefit take into account the probability of being infected? I would think yes. A dangerous vax for a very dangerous infection I would think that would only use where there was a actaul danger of catching. Whereas smallpox was given of people where there danger of actually going to a place that actually had it was very low.
So real question- does the analysis today change compared to 9 months ago? 9 months ago covid was less contagious so containment isolation etc was viable for population, whereas now with delta being more contagious and an understanding that will become endemic so the likely hood of being infected is higher. Doesn't that even push the calculus more towards the benefit side of vax vs non vax?
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10-09-2021, 11:52 AM #15225
An example in your first paragraph would be the yellow fever vaccine, which is high enough risk for older people that you can get a medical exemption f you're traveling to an endemic area. I don't know of any other high risk vaccines but maybe there are some.
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