To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[skaredshtles]

<snip> I know so many people with breakthrough cases.

Well, now - THERE'S some solid science for ya...

[Danno]

If the cdc only tracks breakthrough cases that result In hospitalization and that graph is based on it. Vaccine is effective in people not dying. It doesn’t stop the spread. I know so many people with breakthrough cases.

would you fucking quit with the skidog/MTU impersonation? That's not just a request, it's advice.

No, it doesn't STOP the spread, so I guess you're technically correct there. But it's obvious that your intent with this statement is that it is not effective at reducing the spread, and that is patently false. But you know it to be true because you know lots of breakthrough cases. Jesus fuck.

[The AD]

If the cdc only tracks breakthrough cases that result In hospitalization and that graph is based on it.

I want to see where you're getting that information because it really doesn't make sense. The CDC is tracking the number of new infections. I find it difficult to believe they are disregarding positive tests from people who are vaccinated, but haven't been hospitalized.

[teletech]

Stop the bullshit that the vaccine stops the spread. There a million articles that say it doesn’t. I know it doesn’t fit your narrative. Maybe it slows it Down slightly more If your vaccinated that’s it

[teletech]

I just posted it last page

[skaredshtles]

Jesus fuck, indeed. Another DUMB motherfucker on the Ignore List.

[CarlMega]

I just posted it last page

Bless your heart.

[paulster2626]

Stop the bullshit that the vaccine stops the spread. There a million articles that say it doesn’t. I know it doesn’t fit your narrative. Maybe it slows it Down slightly more If your vaccinated that’s it

Word of advice: Never go full retard.

Here's data from the aforementioned Ontario. Explain this away, ya chucklefuck.

[teleee]

A few weeks ago I got sucked into a facebook argument with an old high school buddy about the vax (something I try not to do). He had all the typical arguments, its not proven, it violates his freedom, hes pretty sure he has already had it so he is naturally immune now, blah, blah, blah. Needless to say I didnt convince him of shit.
Yesterday this popped up on our group facebook page for our high school class... SAME GUY!

"Sorry I left this out, he is suffering from blood clots due to covid.
Doug is in need of our prayers and good thoughts. He is fighting for his life.
they were told yesterday that he would not survive, but we are asking EVERYONE TO PLEASE PRAY, and also praise God!!!
& to Get a prayer out as fast as you can, to EVERYONE….
From lou:
Doug has stabilized on his back. They were not expecting this. The left leg is viable. Right leg will need amputated above knee. Vascular surgeon who told me there’s no hope yesterday, is taking him to surgery within the hour. There are no guarantees, we know this.
I have been speaking to Doug through the HS. I know he can hear me.
Doug had surgery and as far as I know at 5:20 on Tuesday, Doug made it through surgery but needs lots of prayers"

For what its worth he is in excellent shape (former military) as a mailman he walks miles a day. Bottom line get fucking vaccinated! Prayers are fucking worthless, get the vaccine!

As a follow up to this post, here was what was posted by his family on Saturday "Today Doug has left earth and joined the Savior in heaven.
Doug was a loved man - as a son, husband, father, brother, Marine, mailman, church member, friend or neighbor. Always a willing hand for anyone in need. The world is a better place because he was here. Now in paradise with Jesus Christ the King."
So fucking stupid, how are those vaccine side affect fears treating you now buddy?

[PowderPig]

Boulder Community Hospital now also scheduling for ages 5-11: https://www.bch.org/our-services/inf...-vaccine/#kids

[skiJ]

teletech -
are your claims that someone who has been "fully vaccinated" Should have lifetime, 'sterilizing' immunity, such that there are no Breakthrough cases, and their (lifetime) immunity prevents them from ever 'transmitting' the virus ?


That would be a VERY high 'bar' for vaccination that has been available for less than a year, for a deadly disease that has been known for about two years. ...


please clarify. skiJ


postscript -

okay. I see your last couple posts - and
given your current experience, I appreciate that some expected vaccination was going to 'stop' the disease from spreading. . .

'slow the spread' and 'slow transmission' are Not the same thing as 'stop'-ping transmission, And
there are multiple factors that contribute to vaccination being effective toward creating population immunity.
namely, sufficient participation that the virus does not have reservoirs of Unvaccinated hosts. 'We' don't have that - I don't believe given the current social climate that prizes personal 'freedom' as sacred, I don't believe we could have that
( it is mentioned up-thread - today, we could not have eradicated polio. )


it is ironic to me, that you were (hesitant. my word) to see children vaccinated, and now are very dissatisfied -
( in my region, schools and school activities are often implicated in the spread of covid. )

I will close with a two part rhetorical, hypothetical question.
- Where Might you be without being vaccinated (?) , and
- would you prefer that outcome (?)


respectfully. tj

[The AD]

I just posted it last page

Let's be clear that there's a difference between counting breakthrough cases versus tracking breakthrough cases. They are being counted, it's just that they aren't being specifically tracked unless the person is hospitalized. I agree with the general tenor of the Guardian article that better data on breakthrough cases would be beneficial, but I don't agree with your assessment that seems to suggest that the CDC simply isn't counting breakthrough cases at all.

[seano732]

As a follow up to this post, here was what was posted by his family on Saturday "Today Doug has left earth and joined the Savior in heaven.
Doug was a loved man - as a son, husband, father, brother, Marine, mailman, church member, friend or neighbor. Always a willing hand for anyone in need. The world is a better place because he was here. Now in paradise with Jesus Christ the King."
So fucking stupid, how are those vaccine side affect fears treating you now buddy?

Jeebus Teleee, that’s brutal. Entirely predictable and not shocking, but brutal…..

[XXX-er]

I live in the bible belt of the narth and while a huge whack of the deniers are god heads there are also a fair number of secular anti-vaxxers

are the mo-mo's all anti vaxers ?

at least i am safe in the craft brews cuz they check everyone every time, even if they know you they want to scan your code and I always say thank you

[teletech]

I am vaccinated with Pfizer 2nd dose middle June. I got it, everybody in my family got it. The guardian article I posted yesterday said the same thing.

[teletech]

That Ontario graph is not The NY Times one

[The AD]

I am vaccinated with Pfizer 2nd dose middle June. I got it, everybody in my family got it.

And you're all okay so far, right? Don't you agree that's the most important thing?

[KQ]

Going for my booster now. Getting Moderna, had Pfizer previously.

[teletech]

One had a fever for over a week, wife hasn’t left the bed in 3 days. One complains of this car sick feeling that comes and goes. One has ringing in her head and balance is off. It’s nasty shit, that has hit hard even though we’re vaccinated

[CarlMega]

And you're all okay so far, right? Don't you agree that's the most important thing?

Don't bother. He's being a douche for douche's sake. I'll save you the trouble: he'll agree that vax prevents the worse-case disease. Then pivot to it shouldn't be mandated because it doesn't STOP spread entirely like chickenpox. Then throw some shade to people because he thinks we're being too tough on the stick-in-mud antivax kooks. Then when you point out that vax does in fact mitigate spread, he'll cite his article and his family. Then repeat.

Saved you^ three days of threads.

[XXX-er]

I am vaccinated with Pfizer 2nd dose middle June. I got it, everybody in my family got it. The guardian article I posted yesterday said the same thing.

did you die ?

I guess you will never know if you got your moneys worth?

[AK47bp]

As a follow up to this post, here was what was posted by his family on Saturday "Today Doug has left earth and joined the Savior in heaven.
Doug was a loved man - as a son, husband, father, brother, Marine, mailman, church member, friend or neighbor. Always a willing hand for anyone in need. The world is a better place because he was here. Now in paradise with Jesus Christ the King."
So fucking stupid, how are those vaccine side affect fears treating you now buddy?

If people actually believe in heaven and that it’s a paradise, why wait to get there?

Seems Doug was the smart one……..suckers.



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[The AD]

Don't bother. He's being a douche for douche's sake. I'll save you the trouble: he'll agree that vax prevents the worse-case disease. Then pivot to it shouldn't be mandated because it doesn't STOP spread entirely like chickenpox. Then throw some shade to people because he thinks we're being too tough on the stick-in-mud antivax kooks. Then when you point out that vax does in fact mitigate spread, he'll cite his article and his family. Then repeat.

Saved you^ three days of threads.

You're right, of course. I just don't understand the conniptions people are willing to go through to convince themselves that vaccines aren't effective.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

If the cdc only tracks breakthrough cases that result In hospitalization and that graph is based on it. Vaccine is effective in people not dying. It doesn’t stop the spread. I know so many people with breakthrough cases.

How many were hospitalized or died? And how many is “so many”?

At the hospital that I work at we do have vaccinated patients in the icu and a couple of them are on ventilators. They are elderly and have other significant comorbidities. We have other vaccinated patients that are Covid positive but are asymptotic and presented for other reasons. More than 85% of the patients being treated for symptomatic Covid infection are unvaccinated. We’ve seen healthy people with no comorbidities as young as 30 and unvaccinated die as a result of Covid.

We’re a mid size regional hospital that serves a large rural population. When compared to the rest of WA state we have poor numbers when it comes to vaccination but it’s slowly improving in large part(IMO)because people are seeing their friends and family die or acquire long term disabling pulmonary damage.

In areas with high vaccination rates there are fewer cases, hospitalizations and deaths per 100k. That sure sounds like it’s slowing the spread to me. The more people that get vaccinated the slower the virus can spread, even Delta, and eventually it will become a small concern. That’s how vaccines work. People are really impatient, we have only been vaccinating for 10 months, it took years or decades to reach a point where smallpox, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, pertussis etc became a problem that we really don’t worry about anymore. If you like not worrying about those diseases it’s the smart choice to get vaccinated.


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[teletech]

Just talking about spread.still just talking about spread