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  1. #13476
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I'm down for a Canadian expansion if you are:

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    I'm down. Except we should let Canada have Michigan, and we'll take Alberta off their hands. Win-win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asspen View Post
    Huh?

    The conversation over convalescent plasma centers around the fact that both vaccination and natural immunity begin to wane around 6 months after infection/vaccination. You trust the Red Cross, right?

    Get ready for a booster every 6 months!

    The CDC and FDA don't want to admit this....yet, but they have already showed their hand by requiring boosters for select at risk groups.

    The push over the last few months has been to get the vaccine hesitant to jump on board. Announcing at the same time that one will need a booster every 6 months isn't going to go over well. It will come out eventually, but in the meantime you can keep wishing it away all you want.
    Still unable to accept you were misunderstanding the Red Cross info. Carry on that way if your ego can’t take the hit.

    Now you are going on a tangent about boosters - why? I’m guessing the majority of vaccinated people would jump at the chance for a booster if that is what the science shows is recommended. Maybe even the Red Cross will recommend it! Then you’ll have painted yourself into a corner.

    I’m ready for a booster. Sign me up. What you think is some “aha - gotcha! You need a booster! Checkmate!” moment is just your fantasy playing out live for us to witness. Just more embarrassment.

    You thought I’d be sad to have a booster. And that idea seems to make you happy. Sorry but not really sorry for robbing you of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    This comment right at the beginning is interesting eh? Thought there wasnt any protection from covid with prior infection? Weird...
    Dude, has anyone here ever said that? Exceptionally weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    If antibodies never 'waned,' wouldn't our blood just eventually be thick with nothing but antibodies and we die? Serious question.
    Yes, our blood would turn to sludge if antibodies didn't wane. The good news is our immune system is more than just antibodies. Even with low detectable levels in our blood, we're not defenseless. After being trained by vaccines or infection, if we encounter the coronavirus B cells in the body generate new antibodies to block the virus and our body also produces T cells to clear infected cells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I'm down for a Canadian expansion if you are:
    Jesusland can have Nevada and hopefully Alaska joins the blue. Otherwise, I welcome our rulers from the North.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Still unable to accept you were misunderstanding the Red Cross info. Carry on that way if your ego can’t take the hit.

    Now you are going on a tangent about boosters - why? I’m guessing the majority of vaccinated people would jump at the chance for a booster if that is what the science shows is recommended. Maybe even the Red Cross will recommend it! Then you’ll have painted yourself into a corner.

    I’m ready for a booster. Sign me up. What you think is some “aha - gotcha! You need a booster! Checkmate!” moment is just your fantasy playing out live for us to witness. Just more embarrassment.

    You thought I’d be sad to have a booster. And that idea seems to make you happy. Sorry but not really sorry for robbing you of that.
    Not only am I game for a booster, I want to travel the world and have all the COVID vaccines in existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Are you purposely being obtuse out of embarrassment for getting it so wrong or are you totally unaware of the fact there's a lot more to the immune system than antibodies alone?




    Did you miss the part where the CDC themselves provide the disclaimer their data doesn't include the second most populous state and also doesn't include data for 41% of the vaccinated population?

    You pulled a similar stunt last time when you claimed the CDC said vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the coronavirus even though they said the exact opposite.
    I'll answer for them:

    Asspen: Yes, I'm being intentionally obtuse.

    Skidog" yes, I missed that part of the CDC stats.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Now you are going on a tangent about boosters - why? I’m guessing the majority of vaccinated people would jump at the chance for a booster if that is what the science shows is recommended.
    He might have a point about that considering people bitch incessantly simply because they've got to change their fucking clocks twice a year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Dude, has anyone here ever said that? Exceptionally weak.
    why because you glazed over that response? Its there man...I laughed inside very hard when I read it and did not respond to its utter stupidity.

    THE TGR WAY..... If you don't like it, its clearly not real...should be a new motto instead of change for a nickel.... "part of the borg?" has a nice ring to it...maybe ill make up some stickers.

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    just going to repeat dump this here cause its super funny it goes totally ignored...

    former head of the FDA uses the actual words.... IMMUNITY FROM PRIOR INFECTION.... wow...MIND FUCKING BLOWN...

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/23/healt...day/index.html

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    Alberta is like 80% vaccinated?

    All you right wing idiots are like “we’ll take Alberta! huh huh huh” not realizing that the most right wing of the provinces is still way more on board with science and less filled with jesus and freedom loving patriots.

    Turns out Alberta probably wouldn’t want to carry your good for nothing states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    why because you glazed over that response?
    Okay, let's see it. If you can't show the proof I'm considering it bullshit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog
    THE TGR WAY..... If you don't like it, its clearly not real
    Perhaps you should consider the alternative: you're talking out of your ass and people call you out on it, but you can't accept the fact that maybe you're the one who's wrong.

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    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    just clicked over 700,000
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    You nimrod.

    I never “promoted” that poll.

    Captain dumbfuckey claimed there was no further info in the link even though it was in the link, so I provided it. But that means that I promoted it. Seriously your reading comprehension is severely fucked up, just like your personality.

    You two are completely disingenuous cunts.


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    And you posted the wrong link (which in the TGR influencer world is promoting)

    This kind of stupidity doesn't manifest itself naturally. How much 5G injections did it take you to get here?

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Deebased View Post
    And you posted the wrong link (which in the TGR influencer world is promoting)

    This kind of stupidity doesn't manifest itself naturally. How much 5G injections did it take you to get here?
    Speak english you fake ass loser?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    I'm down for a Canadian expansion if you are:

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    West of the I5 and east of 95 goes to Canada. The rest of the country can learn personal responsibility

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Alberta is like 80% vaccinated?

    All you right wing idiots are like “we’ll take Alberta! huh huh huh” not realizing that the most right wing of the provinces is still way more on board with science and less filled with jesus and freedom loving patriots.

    Turns out Alberta probably wouldn’t want to carry your good for nothing states.
    Which science. The prior infection rate science, the herd mentality science or the vax efficacy science?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    FDA

    This comment right at the beginning is interesting eh? Thought there wasnt any protection from covid with prior infection? Weird...
    Holy shit I missed this gem. Congrats on the most transparently disingenuous post of the day. That’s hard to to do given the bullshit posted in this thread today. Way to prove to everyone you are just here to be a total dick.

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    About boosters
    Anyone in California want a booster just go ask for it at your local pharmacy.
    I walked in yesterday and asked.61 years old with no underlying issues.
    Filled out a few questions about allergic reactions and then got my shot.
    Easier than buying hookers and blow.
    Extremely sore arm last night/ this morning but good now.
    Go get your booster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deebased View Post
    Which science. The prior infection rate science, the herd mentality science or the vax efficacy science?
    Only a disingenuous fuckstain troll like you would try to separate them for internet style points. Your shtick is as tired and transparent as they come. If people cared about your posts they be laughing at them. But they don’t. Vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    The Borg are an alien civilization in the Star Trek universe. They rely on a hive mind with the goal of assimilating all other cultures to achieve perfection. No individual thought is allowed among the Borg collective.
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    for further definition, I'll use it in a sentence... "I interviewed for a tech job at Amazon, and felt like I was communicating with The Borg at each interview session"

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    Here we go again for the 50th time. None of this has changed in any of the 49 other times it's been posted.


    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/co...us-vaccination


    If you've had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?




    The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.




    More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
    Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
    Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination
    The takeaway: Get vaccinated, even if you've had COVID-19. Vaccine immunity is stronger than natural immunity.




    "Natural immunity can be spotty. Some people can react vigorously and get a great antibody response. Other people don't get such a great response," says infectious diseases expert Mark Rupp, MD. "Clearly, vaccine-induced immunity is more standardized and can be longer-lasting."




    A third of infections don't get any protective antibodies
    Some people who get COVID-19 receive no protection from reinfection – their natural immunity is nonexistent. A recent study found that 36% of COVID-19 cases didn't result in development of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies. The people had different levels of illness – most had moderate disease, but some were asymptomatic and some experienced severe COVID-19.




    "Vaccine-induced immunity is more predictable than natural immunity," says Dr. Rupp. The COVID-19 vaccines provide great protection from severe disease, hospitalization and death.




    Natural immunity fades more quickly than vaccine immunity
    Natural immunity can decay within about 90 days. Immunity from COVID-19 vaccines has been shown to last longer. Both Pfizer and Moderna reported strong vaccine protection for at least six months.




    Studies are ongoing to evaluate the full duration of protective immunity, including the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.




    Real-world studies also indicate natural immunity's short life. For example, 65% of people with a lower baseline antibody from infection to begin with completely lost their COVID-19 antibodies by 60 days.




    What about that Israeli study suggesting natural immunity is stronger? Infectious diseases expert James Lawler, MD, MPH, FIDSA, carefully evaluates the study design of the retrospective Maccabi Health System study in his Aug. 31 briefing. In the briefing, he identifies two concerning sources of error that were not corrected for: survivorship bias and selection bias.




    Natural immunity alone is weak
    One study compared natural immunity alone to natural immunity plus vaccination. They found that, after infection, unvaccinated people are 2.34 times likelier to get COVID-19 again, compared to fully vaccinated people. So vaccinated people (after infection) have half the risk of reinfection than people relying on natural immunity alone.




    "Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.




    Furthermore, there is no country on the globe in which natural infection and natural immunity has brought the pandemic under control. In countries like Iran or Brazil very high levels of natural infection have not prevented recurrent waves of infection.
    ...
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Here we go again for the 50th time. None of this has changed in any of the 49 other times it's been posted.
    Yeah, whatever #BORG!!

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    Fun with numbers
    From midnight to 1330 hrs Pacific Time, there have been on this thread:
    - 42 posts from four accounts dedicated to Sophistry (Austin, Aspen, Deebased and SkiDog)
    - 60 posts quoting the trolls and refuting their inane bullshit
    - 70 posts about the actual thread topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Fun with numbers
    From midnight to 1330 hrs Pacific Time, there have been on this thread:
    - 42 posts from four accounts dedicated to Sophistry (Austin, Aspen, Deebased and SkiDog)
    - 60 posts quoting the trolls and refuting their inane bullshit
    - 70 posts about the actual thread topic
    Is this a poll or a study ?


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