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  1. #19026
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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    The author....and “Goodbye, Asshat.”
    Thank you for pointing this out...I had to look it up. Hilarious title and content. He'd do pretty well at TGR is my guess.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2skier112 View Post
    The author has an elegant way of writing. And these maskless, antivaxx MAGA morons make their own hypocritical comedy

    Aldous J. Pennyfarthing is the author of four books on Donald Trump, including “Dear F*cking Lunatic” and “Goodbye, Asshat.” He regularly marinates his brain in cannabis overnight to keep it limber. Opinions are his own and likely no one else's.
    Bragging about how brave they are while totally chickenshit of the vax and masks. Who's really the chickenshit? They're so afraid of the vax that they're willing to lose their jobs over a jab.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conundrum View Post
    I think your boy should enter the tournament under the Adolf Allerbush Jr. moniker, fake vax card and all. When the coach gets pissed at the name, you can point out there's nothing wrong with faking it once in awhile.
    Fucking great idea! This also would allow me to meet the "guy who knows a guy..." offered up by one of the mom's to get the fake vax card.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I am *stunned* by this turn of events. Who ever could have predicted?
    I never did get a chance to thank her.

    Going to take a run for Barb today. She probably never loved skiing enough to get on a lift at 0F, but she was learning and she always managed to be convincing when she told her hubby to go do something more challenging while she stuck to the front side groomers and worked up her skills. I hope we can get him out again without it just killing him. Profanities are inadequate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevo View Post
    I've been holding off on getting the booster because I had some "mild" complications from Pfizer round 2 that caused me to be held up in bed for 4 days after. My left armpit lymph node swelled up so much that I couldn't put my arm down or use it and I was really sick for several days.

    I've been waiting for a break in my schedule to plan for another 4 days of feeling shitty.

    I'm sure it has been discussed, but what is the latest on whether Pfizer round 3 protects against Omicron?

    Anyone have an informed take on whether I should consider the moderna booster after 2x Pfizer?
    My wife had her armpit lymph node swell up (same side as the shot) after the Pfizer booster (no swelling for the first 2x Pfizer). She was feeling rough for 2 days but similar to the 2nd vax jab. I got the Moderna booster (Pfizer vax) and felt like crap for a day or so (less so than the 2nd Pfizer) no lymph node issues.

    Id go Moderna given your response to Pfizer.

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    I can't keep up with this thread but does anyone have any stats on what percentage of omnicron cases are asymptomatic? I tried to do some googling and the answers appeared to be 40-70% but it wasn't super recent data. Anyone seen any trustworthy data? Are any of the places doing surveillance testing (NFL, NBA, etc) reporting on the percentage asymptomatic cases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RootSkier View Post
    I can't keep up with this thread but does anyone have any stats on what percentage of omnicron cases are asymptomatic? I tried to do some googling and the answers appeared to be 40-70% but it wasn't super recent data. Anyone seen any trustworthy data? Are any of the places doing surveillance testing (NFL, NBA, etc) reporting on the percentage asymptomatic cases?
    Im far from an expert, but that actual number seems impossible to lock down unless you were testing every single citizen multiple times without any symptoms.

    Due to lack of testing infrastructure in BC, weve been instructed not to get tested even if exposed, when double vaxxed and asymptomatic and monitor for symptoms for 5 days but generally continue on with life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    So a person could have had COVID for weeks before taking their first PCR test then be told to isolate for 5-10 days by the health department even though they are way past the infectious shedding part? I get better safe than sorry, but maybe when rapid tests really are growing on trees only require isolation while the rapid test is positive??
    If you have COVID for weeks, something is wrong, like, you have HIV or are on Chemo.

    Now, if you have a SARS-CoV-2 infection asymptomatically, you could theoretically test positive for weeks after the infection is gone if you use a PCR. The reason is small fragments of detectable RNA present when there is no replicating virus. Most people won't test positive as it gets to be weeks out, but some small number can test positive up to 90 days. That is why we have said don't test people with recent infections unless we strongly suspect reinfection (or your are clearance testing with an antigen test). It is why using PCRs for clearance testing was a terrible idea (and was ended early/mid 2020 except for many dumb nursing homes and dumb employers). We mostly use time based clearance. Now, a lower sensitivity NAAT (Abbott ID Now or DetectaChem LAMP) is a great surveillance/screening tool and antigen (least sensitive of test types) can be a great tool if used serially. Most people don't get the different testing use cases which can be grouped into diagnostic, screening, surveillance, and clearance. PCRs are usually the best choice for diagnostic testing and certain screening uses. They are also the most specific of all the tests. But most people don't get sensitivity vs specificity and PPV/NPV.

    Testing is hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    Rapid tests aren't growing on trees around here. Hard to find.
    Fyi. I know everybody wants free tests but for test hoarders...

    Menards is selling 12 packs of Flowflex. One test per box. Super sensitive to Omicron according to latest data. Comes to about $10 per test with tax/shipping. While supplies last.


    https://www.menards.com/main/grocery...A4NDQ0MjM0OQS2


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    https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status...j0P1CDhvw&s=19

    Not saying I know what will happen. Not a mask in sight here in Iowa so could be a rude awakening when every gathering is a superspreading event.



    If things do get bad I wonder...if we had 98% vaccination rate could we just treat this like a cold and go on with our lives breaking arms and finding doctors to fix them? I really don't know the answer, but it is certainly would be nice just to treat Omicron like a cold or flu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    https://twitter.com/tmprowell/status...j0P1CDhvw&s=19

    Not saying I know what will happen. Not a mask in sight here in Iowa so could be a rude awakening when every gathering is a superspreading event.

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    We shall see. Did this happen in South Africa? This kind of assumes that everyone gets sick at the same time which isn't how it happens. I think the healthcare system will see the worst of it. Most other disruptions will be short-lived.

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    Yeah. With Delta it sort of beelined in between the naysayers and the alarmists. But then it just kept coming at us. And morphed into Omicron. But I will say this time the alarmists are more like the canary in the coal mine. Strung the fuck out from their front line bedside posts and shouting into the wind.

    Not many listeners.

    Every day is a new adventure I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    If you have COVID for weeks, something is wrong, like, you have HIV or are on Chemo.

    Now, if you have a SARS-CoV-2 infection asymptomatically, you could theoretically test positive for weeks after the infection is gone if you use a PCR. The reason is small fragments of detectable RNA present when there is no replicating virus. Most people won't test positive as it gets to be weeks out, but some small number can test positive up to 90 days. That is why we have said don't test people with recent infections unless we strongly suspect reinfection (or your are clearance testing with an antigen test). It is why using PCRs for clearance testing was a terrible idea (and was ended early/mid 2020 except for many dumb nursing homes and dumb employers). We mostly use time based clearance. Now, a lower sensitivity NAAT (Abbott ID Now or DetectaChem LAMP) is a great surveillance/screening tool and antigen (least sensitive of test types) can be a great tool if used serially. Most people don't get the different testing use cases which can be grouped into diagnostic, screening, surveillance, and clearance. PCRs are usually the best choice for diagnostic testing and certain screening uses. They are also the most specific of all the tests. But most people don't get sensitivity vs specificity and PPV/NPV.

    Testing is hard.
    As I understand it, this is the proper and full explanation supporting the graphic I posted earlier (FTR, the graphic was sourced from a media article that requested it from the Australian Medical Association, who in turn pulled it from the BMJ).

    The point made by the relevant expert in the article was a layman's version of Summit's post - that the lower sensitivity of rapid tests means that a positive result is generally a good guide on when a person is infectious with SARS-cov2, rather than whether or not someone has/had the virus. The caveat is a negative rapid result can quickly turn positive within hours of taking a test.

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    So the rationale is that the odds of PCR testing positive 2weeks+ after initial infection or symptoms is so slim that it's not going to cause many to be isolated longer than they really need to? I have no idea if that's true. But I to know wife's coworker isn't HIV+ or on chemo but tested positive for a month. Just anecdotal. If the rapid test is better at identifying when someone is contagious.. why not use that (or two of them if only 85% accurate) to make the call when the isolation can end instead of a PCR test? Gets people back to work or on duty in 30 minutes instead of waiting 3 days for a result that might still be positive when no longer contagious..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    We literally just made a very similar change similar to what you propose yesterday.

    https://www.theguardian.com/australi...ts-and-testing

    Under the new arrangement, a confirmed case must isolate for seven days from the date their infection was confirmed with a test. On day six, they need to return a negative result on a rapid antigen test before they can leave isolation.

    Someone who discovers they are a close contact but is not showing any symptoms must test with a rapid antigen test.

    If the test is positive, they must then have a PCR test. If that comes back positive, the person obviously becomes a confirmed case themselves.

    A close contact who returns a negative test must still isolate for seven days from the date of exposure, as symptoms may still show. On day six, they can take a rapid antigen test, and may leave isolation if it is negative.

    The exception is in South Australia, which, while adopting the definition, will still require a 10-day isolation period.

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    French tennis star Benoit Paire claims he has tested positive for COVID 250 times. Says he is fully vaccinated and not against vaccines but is sick of missing tourneys due to positive tests.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/tennis/...7ec4d5ee0b6058

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    Who the Fk is he? Why should I care?

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    He tested pos 25 times. So he says. Two times officially. Not 250.
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    As Summit pointed out, testing is hard. There is a reason Public Heath specialists are specialists. It is their job to try to figure out the best protocols for just such situations as C-19. They are trying to balance the spread of disease and it's impact on the public, hence "Public Health". It would be easy just to lock everything down, hence no spread, but massive public affect, vs. do nothing at all, and have massive health effects without affecting the function of society, at least until everybody is dead.

    Rather then politicians, and TGR Monday morning quarterbacking, we need to let the PH people do their job and follow their recommendations. Oversight is certainly necessary and appropriate, but unfortunately too many politicians, and now wrong headed right wingers want to control such recommendations and they are fucking everything up.

    We, as the public, should not be deciding, or debating which test to use when, because very few people understand the complexity of testing. Those of us in the medical field are constantly trying to figure out the best testing, the best interpretation of a variety of tests, and what the fuck it even all means. Even with massive amounts of training, constant CE, years of experience it is still fucking hard. A plumber reading a few social media posts sure as fuck can't figure it out.

    disclaimer: I have nothing against plumbers

    I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Who the Fk is he? Why should I care?

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    He tested pos 25 times. So he says. Two times officially. Not 250.
    Ranked 46. Didn't make bank this year. W 13 L 30. What a loser.
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    Yeah, uh, wtf?

    Still watching the pathetic TGR echo chamber

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    I think a whole lot of people are comfortable with what happened the last few years and want it to continue. And some other media whores are getting their last shot.

    Still watching the pathetic TGR echo chamber

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    You have gone completely fucking nuts. NOBODY (except for maybe some pharmaceutical executives) want this to continue for one more day.
    Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    I think a whole lot of people are comfortable with what happened the last few years and want it to continue. And some other media whores are getting their last shot.
    Did you eat a lot of paint chips as a child?

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    My 16yo is now boosted. Very happy to at least give her a bit more to fight the vid when she inevitably gets it from school.

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    Just in the last two days, 4 people I know well in Denver have the Rona. All vaxxed.

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