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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    I don't think it's incompetence, but people are entitled, and right, to change their opinion when facts change.

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    I'm actually interested in how they are 'wrong'? Authorities and recognized experts typically qualify their statements - based on the data known at this time or the models predict or specify why they are advocating risk-adverse measures. Further, they are very clear about how policy and interpterion can be fluid and subject to change as more data and analysis is introduced.

    In lay person terms though, they've been on fucking point:

    social distancing measures lessen transmission
    vigilance is paramount
    there will be waves and hot spots - it's a long, long process
    best avenue for relief from measures and impacts is immunization

    Nit-pics about things like revising mask policy as the situation changes is ridiculous. As if the world is static and we're not expected to deal with new data, situational changes, missteps and reinterpterion on a virus that is 2 years old. The loudest contrarians are MAGA heads who laughably cite and reference policy and advice during Trump's admin when his thumb was on messaging and policy recommendations - cleaning up that shit is now 'being wrong'. GTFO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/s...severe-illness

    https://ehrn.org/articles/covid-19-t...e-reinfections


    Where have I said that transmission rates aren't lower in the vaccinated?
    Lol. Ron thinks a 1% Re infection rate means it has 99% efficacy. Bwhahaha. Who needs a PhD?

    It was already pointed out where you said infection rates were equal among the vaxxed and unvaxxed. That was the whole point of your graph, or chart or table, “ya know, one of them funny things with numbers and lines on it I have so much trouble figuring out”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagtagley View Post
    Responding to trolls isn’t the good fight, it makes a good thread exhausting to follow.
    Yeah, there's a line there somewhere but I don't know where it is. Problem as I always see it is people listening to the trolls--if you don't refute the nonsense then what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Art Shirk View Post
    Hey Ron, I heard there is a dam being built somewhere in Utah. You should watch a few youtube videos from high school dropouts and then call up the Corps of Engineers to tell them what they are fucking up.
    Good one but unfortunately wasted on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    Yeah, there's a line there somewhere but I don't know where it is. Problem as I always see it is people listening to the trolls--if you don't refute the nonsense then what?
    You ignore it! It's the only way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    I'm sorry, but have these "smart people whose lives have dedicated to studying, understanding, and battling viruses" been right about ANYTHING over the past 18 months? The incompetence has been staggering and yet you still put 100% faith in them.
    Yeah, everyone knows Tucker Calson and ole Houndawg Smith out in Bumfuck be way smarter than them thar city fokes with edumacations.. Take those Brazil nuts off your dick cause we all know you fukkin' nutz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    I'm actually interested in how they are 'wrong'? Authorities and recognized experts typically qualify their statements - based on the data known at this time or the models predict or specify why they are advocating risk-adverse measures. Further, they are very clear about how policy and interpterion can be fluid and subject to change as more data and analysis is introduced.

    In lay person terms though, they've been on fucking point:

    social distancing measures lessen transmission
    vigilance is paramount
    there will be waves and hot spots - it's a long, long process
    best avenue for relief from measures and impacts is immunization

    Nit-pics about things like revising mask policy as the situation changes is ridiculous. As if the world is static and we're not expected to deal with new data, situational changes, missteps and reinterpterion on a virus that is 2 years old. The loudest contrarians are MAGA heads who laughably cite and reference policy and advice during Trump's admin when his thumb was on messaging and policy recommendations - cleaning up that shit is now 'being wrong'. GTFO.
    This. They have been consistently correct about nearly everything and when there was uncertainty made that clear. If you paid attention back in Feb/Mar 2020 they told us how it would spread, where it would spread, when there would be surges, what the vaccine would mean, what partially vaxed populations would look like (all these things can be modeled to what I think is a fair degree of accuracy--as much as should be needed, anyway). Obviously they changed guidance on masks early on as the data came in. The idea that this means they shouldn't be listened to is idiotic--it's, as you said, the opposite: they did exactly what they should have done as more was learned.
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    Sweden has 15k dead with a population of 10M and Australia has 900 dead with 25M. So 15 times the dead and probably 15 times the individuals with permanent or semi-permanent affects. When adjusted for population it’s roughly 40x.


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    Don't worry, there are only six cases of covid in the U.S. and soon they will all just disappear. Bleach and sunlight, baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Sweden has 15k dead with a population of 10M and Australia has 900 dead with 25M. So 15 times the dead and probably 15 times the individuals with permanent or semi-permanent affects. When adjusted for population it’s roughly 40x.


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    Don’t care to fact check. But assuming that’s true. Ok

    Australia is a living jail cell. Fucking off the chart government control.

    How many excess deaths in Sweden? A bit more than usual I’m sure. But the flu kills old people every year. We should have been masking everywhere ten years ago. Nightclubs and concerts should have been banned ten years ago. Fuck you selfish fucks that think you need a drinky winky or a jam band.

    0.0015 deaths in Sweden. That’s the number you posted.
    Quick. Duck and cover.

    This shit ain’t Ebola. Yet.

    My mom wouldn’t survive infection. But she’s old. And had a good life. And she also wants her grandchildren to have an actual life. Not a fear factor survival fuck fest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Lol. Ron thinks a 1% Re infection rate means it has 99% efficacy. Bwhahaha. Who needs a PhD?
    You are changing terms on me. Where did I say natural infection has 99% efficacy?

    It was already pointed out where you said infection rates were equal among the vaxxed and unvaxxed. That was the whole point of your graph, or chart or table, “ya know, one of them funny things with numbers and lines on it I have so much trouble figuring out”.
    Infection rates =/ transmission rates.

    I used that table as further evidence that vaccines were losing effectiveness at preventing infection over time. You claimed that the vaccinated were way less likely to get COVID. My position was that this won't be the case long term.

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    Why does Coreshot want his mom to die now? Eating into the inheritance? I am really amazed he would say that out loud. Not amazed really.
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    My mom would rather die than have her grandkids not live a full life

    Damn you are an old selfish bastard.

    Stop using up resources. You’re another useless eater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    Don’t care to fact check.
    Bless your heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    My mom would rather die than have her grandkids not live a full life
    Why does adults getting vaccinated prevent grandkids from living a full life?

    After all data from Israel for fully mRNA vaccinated people shows greater protection against severe illness, death, and even infection (which decreases transmission) from the Delta variant in comparison with an unvaccinated population making vaccination now more important than ever.
    Last edited by MultiVerse; 07-29-2021 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    "Need another reason to mask up? People may get long COVID19 after a breakthrough infection.

    While vaccines protect from severe disease, we know the vaccinated can still carry the virus (to some extent, we don’t know this number with Delta) and can, but rarely, display symptoms (i.e. breakthrough cases). The vaccine doesn’t seem to provide 100% “sterilizing immunity”. And this is normal. Many of our vaccines don’t provide this level of protection. For example, our measles vaccine protects us from disease, but we can still carry it if we come in contact with it. This is why a measles outbreak, like at Disneyland, can be very dangerous.

    One of the pandemic mysteries is whether the vaccinated (and particularly breakthrough cases) can get long COVID19? Yesterday we got our first look.

    The New England Journal of Medicine published a study of breakthrough cases among healthcare workers in Israel. Scientists tested 1,497 healthcare workers from December 19, 2020 to April 28, 2021 at the largest medical center in Israel. (Note this is before Delta).

    Of the tested workers, 39 breakthrough cases were detected. All were traced back to unvaccinated index cases (either household members or patients). Among the breakthrough cases…

    -Average age was 42 years
    -The average time from the second vaccine dose to breakthrough case was 39 days (range: 11-102)
    -1 person was immunocompromised

    What did the breakthrough infections look like?
    -67% were mild or asymptomatic. No breakthrough cases were hospitalized
    -The most common symptom was coughing (36%), followed by muscle pain (28%), loss of smell or taste (28%), and fever (21%)
    -31% had symptoms lasting more than 14 days
    -19% had symptoms lasting more than 6 weeks (i.e. long COVID). This included loss of smell, cough, fatigue, weakness, difficulty breathing, and/or muscle pain
    —-Nine workers (23%) took more than 10 days off from work. One worker had not yet returned after 6 weeks.

    Bottom line:
    Breakthrough infections with Alpha were rare. However, 1 in 5 breakthrough cases reported long COVID19, regardless of severity of disease. We need a whole lot more data, but this is a really important first look in understanding the burden of breakthroughs.

    We know that Delta is less forgiving than Alpha. If you’re not convinced already, it’s time to mask up.

    Love, YLE"

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    So what your saying is that:

    1. breakthrough infections are more common than we thought after vaccination.
    2. at this point, we just don't know yet.

    I'm ready for society to fold and start anew with the pussification of the human race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    This. They have been consistently correct about nearly everything and when there was uncertainty made that clear. If you paid attention back in Feb/Mar 2020 they told us how it would spread, where it would spread, when there would be surges, what the vaccine would mean, what partially vaxed populations would look like (all these things can be modeled to what I think is a fair degree of accuracy--as much as should be needed, anyway). Obviously they changed guidance on masks early on as the data came in. The idea that this means they shouldn't be listened to is idiotic--it's, as you said, the opposite: they did exactly what they should have done as more was learned.
    Consistently correct? You are insane. Off the top of my head:

    -Underplayed severity early on
    -Flip flopping on masks
    -Said masks were more effective than a vaccine
    -Said if 90% of people wore masks we could get COVID under control
    -Flip flopping on masks for vaccinated
    -Asymptomatic transmission
    -Large overestimate of mortality rate
    -Massive overestimates of deaths from modeling
    -Sweden predicted death zone
    -Ventilators
    -Surface spread
    -COVID origins
    -Thanksgiving wave
    -Christmas wave
    -Superspreading predictions like Sturgis and SuperBowl
    -Florida and Texas predicted to be a death zone
    -Closing of outdoor spaces
    -Vaccine effectiveness

    Stunning incompetence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Why does adults getting vaccinated prevent grandkids from living a full life?

    After all data from Israel for fully mRNA vaccinated people shows greater protection against severe illness, death, and even infection (which decreases transmission) from the Delta variant in comparison with an vaccinated population making vaccination now more important than ever.
    My last post wasn’t about vaccine.

    It was about masking and closing businesses

    And living life for the young.
    The delta is coming. And it’s breakthrough is insane. So quit locking down the healthy. The weak may not survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Only 4 people have dropped hospital air, ever.
    You sure about that? I'm pretty sure I've seen 5 of those 4. 3 on the same day (epic pre-Epic). Seems likely I missed a few. Point taken about some members' willingness to cheat death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asspen View Post
    So what your saying is that:

    1. breakthrough infections are more common than we thought after vaccination.
    2. at this point, we just don't know yet.
    Both you and RJ keep glossing over the Delta variant. It's not so much a case of more breakthrough infections than previously thought after vaccination or even a case of less or decreasing vaccine effectiveness as it is a new variant.

    It's like saying there were large overestimates of mortality rates even though it's now been established the mortality rate is highly dependent on hospital capacity and medical treatment. As with vaccines, mortality rates saw a steep drop with better treatments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Core Shot View Post
    My last post wasn’t about vaccine.

    It was about masking and closing businesses

    And living life for the young.
    The delta is coming. And it’s breakthrough is insane. So quit locking down the healthy. The weak may not survive.
    Darwin.
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    Yeah, I got that your post was also about masking and closing businesses but you've also, as in the post above, argued against vaccination in relation to the delta variant even though the data clearly shows delta is an even bigger reason for vaccination if the goal is putting masks etc. behind us.

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    are you trying to be obtuse, jfc, with shitstains like rj and cs, were fuct

    a pandemic is not static, its very dynamic and evolves...

    plus, half the shit u mentioned was from the last moronic thin skinned narcissistic fake news, suppress the science potus

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Both you and RJ keep glossing over the Delta variant. It's not so much a case of breakthrough infections being more common than we thought after vaccination or even a case of less vaccine effectiveness than previously thought as it is a new variant.
    Fauci was on NPR the other day and the way he said it was, "Guidance has changed not because we were wrong or didn't understand, it has changed because the virus has changed and we are now dealing with a different virus that behaves differently than the original strain." That doesn't seem like a difficult concept to grasp even if you slept through biology class in HS.
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    Hey I thought Core Shit was gonna go out and jam some jarts up his ass with his kids.

    Maybe start the next Bootleg fire in tinder-dry terrain with some good ol' bottle rocket fights. All good fun and fuck 'em if other people get in the way of his entertainment or suffer from what he wants ta do.

    Livin' the life.

    Yet instead he seems to still be here whining about how his freedumbz are bein' 'fringed 'pon and wishing he was in the individualist utopia that is Sweden.

    Hard to tell if he's butthurt to be called out as a selfish cunt or is actually proud of it.

    Well if he's not here for a long time but a good time, maybe he oughta just kill himself with some autoerotic asphyxiation. Go out with a bang, plastic bag on the head, wanking off to the rape scene in the Fountainhead, imagining he's Dominique.

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    Social distancing isn't perfect. Wearing masks isn't perfect. Vaccines aren't perfect. Who cares? That's the best we've got. I'm absolutely certain that all these protective steps at worst offer no additional protection and at best (vaccine) provide substantial protection. If you're not even willing to take these small steps to protect others than you're a selfish prick. That's really all there is to it.

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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate View Post
    Hey I thought Core Shit was gonna go out and jam some jarts up his ass with his kids.

    Maybe start the next Bootleg fire in tinder-dry terrain with some good ol' bottle rocket fights. All good fun and fuck 'em if other people get in the way of his entertainment or suffer from what he wants ta do.

    Livin' the life.

    Yet instead he seems to still be here whining about how his freedumbz are bein' 'fringed 'pon and wishing he was in the individualist utopia that is Sweden.

    Hard to tell if he's butthurt to be called out as a selfish cunt or is actually proud of it.

    Well if he's not here for a long time but a good time, maybe he oughta just kill himself with some autoerotic asphyxiation. Go out with a bang, plastic bag on the head, wanking off to the rape scene in the Fountainhead, imagining he's Dominique.
    That was pretty good.
    But I’ve never read ayn rand. Tried once. But it was asphyxiating. Horrible author.

    Jarts with the kids were fun.

    Need to get some bottle rockets. I was joking about that.

    And yes. My mother is willing to die. I was willing to die. But I got rona and lived. Sorry.

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