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09-17-2021, 10:38 AM #12726
Here's a hint: if your latest example of Democratic misinformation comes from last October (Harris on vaccines) you're probably grasping at straws a bit. Not to defend those statements, but it's pretty clear they were just part of the Presidential campaign posturing and it should be noted the tenor was that they aren't going to listen to Trump about the vaccines, but rather the scientific community. To me that's a significant difference.
The other examples from February 2020 are just lame. Of course they were wrong at the time. People make mistakes, but hopefully they realize these mistakes and make corrections. The people you need to worry about are those who are so steadfast in their convictions that no amount of contrary evidence can sway them.
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09-17-2021, 10:46 AM #12727Registered User
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09-17-2021, 10:47 AM #12728
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09-17-2021, 10:50 AM #12729Banned
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09-17-2021, 10:55 AM #12730
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09-17-2021, 11:03 AM #12731______
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The elephant in the room with all of this Fauci/mask chaff is that isn’t even the argument people opposed to vaccination are making. Mtu thinks his natural immunity from COVID is fine, others think alternative treatments like Regeneron ,ivermectin and hydroxy are better, and they argue that the vaccine is actually unsafe.
The reality is that basically all of these loud voices spreading this information against vaccination appear to either a) have a profit or political motive or b) are not educated in the relevant science or c) appear to have a mental illness.
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09-17-2021, 11:10 AM #12732
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09-17-2021, 11:16 AM #12733Banned
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09-17-2021, 11:20 AM #12734
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09-17-2021, 11:20 AM #12735
Links please?
I think mofro261 also posted a number of pretty convincing arguments that the claim that natural immunity is "better" in any sense than vaccine based immunity, ignoring even the risk of getting covid in the first place.
If you're referring to this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1
There's the disclaimer:
This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed [what does this mean?]. It reports new medical research that has yet to be evaluated and so should not be used to guide clinical practice.
Further, that study has been debunked since the comparison was done without appropriate control groups.
Further yet:
Results showed that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to contract the infection again, compared with those who had received one dose of the vaccine.
The findings appear to indicate increased protection from natural immunity over vaccine-conferred immunity. This may be due to a more extensive immune response to the SARS-CoV-2 proteins, compared with the immune activation provided by the vaccine, the researchers suggest.
Infection disease experts warn that the findings should not be viewed as an excuse to forego vaccination. In an interview with MNT, Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of infectious diseases at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, in Nashville, TN, said that the vaccines are doing exactly what they were designed to do.
“All the vaccines we have, Moderna, Pfizer, and [Johnson & Johnson], are very effective in preventing hospitalization — a severity of illness that requires admission to the hospital.”
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/art...est-protection
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09-17-2021, 11:20 AM #12736Banned
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Yes....was tongue in cheek, but have surely seen some memes that use versions of it.
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09-17-2021, 11:21 AM #12737Banned
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09-17-2021, 11:21 AM #12738
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09-17-2021, 11:22 AM #12739Banned
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I think the point is obesity is a killer in America. Costs lives. Not covid like cause it doesn't transmit..
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09-17-2021, 11:25 AM #12740
Pfizer had EUA in December 2020. How much more debate do you think should be allowed and why should debate be prioritized over taking immediate action (read: mandates) that would undoubtedly save lives, prevent morbidity, and save money? Do you think more debate would result in something close to universal agreement on mandates?
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09-17-2021, 11:29 AM #12741
Perhaps you missed my point. I wasn't saying those things were/are misinformation/disinformation. I was pointing out how I can literally say the EXACT same things about masks/vaccines at the SAME TIME Fauci/Biden/Harris said those things, yet when I say it, it's "misinformation." Go back in the timeline. I've backed off the vaccine concerns about the same time Biden/Harris, which coincided with more and more data coming out. I'm not saying Biden/Harris were or are wrong based on the science at each point in time. I'm pointing out the treatment in others and how we tend to filter out information based on pre-conceived notions and biases. When I thought it it was of less concern than the flu, that's because the top people (ie Fauci) were saying that too. However, as it became clear it was way worse than we originally thought, I changed my stance, as I have on many of the other things, even if it took me a minute to get there. Yet people here also hold against some of us what we said a year+ ago like we're stuck in time, but for others who are a part of the TGR echo chamber cult, we allow them that freedom of changing stances as we learn more. But throwing out accusations of "misinformation" and "disinformation" is the hip, new version of calling somebody as racist in a vain attempt to shut down a conversation.
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09-17-2021, 11:32 AM #12742Banned
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If you would stop bringing up things from a year ago like they are still relevant, people would stop treating you like you are stuck in time. Your talking points match up very closely with the disinformation campaigns that are going on, so perhaps you should take a step back and think about why people put you in that category.
There is a very interesting discussion going on around the actual science here.
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09-17-2021, 11:37 AM #12744
Natural immunity CAN be as good and in some instances MAY be better than vaccine acquired immunity. These two bolded words make all the difference. If you suffered a mild case of Covid you likely have immunity that’s not nearly as good as someone who has been vaccinated or almost died from Covid. The variables are too many to guess at given that we have a known safe and very effective vaccine. Go back and read Mofro’s post about this for more detail.
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09-17-2021, 11:38 AM #12745
I'm going to concede that this guy is between a rock and a hardplace. His nutty Lt. Gov is playing the game and undermining him. Personally, I'd think the welfare of his citizens might warrant more than just deferring to local gov't and his messaging but he could lose the whole game with a wrong political move that loses his seat to the dipshit Lt. Gov.
I could nitpick but there legitimate bad-faith players who deserve the scorn. That said, his state is in crisis mode and clearly cannot provide for its citizens using their own resources.
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09-17-2021, 11:40 AM #12746
The problem you have is that you don't say the EXACT same thing as, for example, what the Biden/Harris campaign said. Specifically, you made the comment that Biden/Harris were saying they wouldn't take a Trump vaccine...when in fact they said they would wait for the scientific consensus on their safety before taking something that Trump is pushing. I think you need to recognize the difference before you will be taken seriously.
Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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09-17-2021, 11:42 AM #12747
O rly? I haven't said shit against the vaccine since Biden/Harris did too. When's the last time I've said anything against the vaccine? Hmm? When's the last time I've contradicted "teh science"?
Usually, when I point stuff out against the narrative here, it's to point out hypocrisy in the establishment who tell us we need to do XYZ, whilst flaunting said advice over the course of the pandemic. But then THAT'S considered "misinformation" too.
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09-17-2021, 11:42 AM #12748
For fuck's sake...
A hostess at an Italian restaurant on the Upper West Side of Manhattan was assaulted by three tourists from Texas after she asked to see their proof of vaccination on Thursday, the police said, four days after enforcement of the city’s vaccine mandate for indoor diners began.
The altercation occurred after a hostess at the restaurant, Carmine’s, asked the tourists to show her proof they were vaccinated against the coronavirus before entering for dinner, the police said. New York City requires people to prove they have received at least one dose of a vaccine before dining indoors.
The tourists, who were identified as Kaeita Nkeenge Rankin, 44, and Tyonnie Keshay Rankin, 21, of Humble, Texas, and Sally Rechelle Lewis, 49, of Houston, began to argue with the hostess over the requirement, the police said. It was not immediately clear if they displayed proof of vaccination.
As the argument escalated, the women began punching the hostess, who is 24, breaking her necklace during the assault. The hostess was left bruised and scratched up by the attack, the police said.
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09-17-2021, 11:44 AM #12749
You did not say un-American, and I was not intending to imply that I was addressing that to your post exclusively. Point is that the narrative that a politician's position on preventive measures can be boiled down to what he's willing to mandate is false. I've cited an example of someone that tried to take this seriously from the beginning and finds himself out of step with the lunatics in his party, who don't represent an outright majority in the state, but very close to it. In that situation the objective is not to get maximum legislation, it's to get maximum vaccination. This is not controversial. This is not debatable. This is fact. And not directing this at you, but the emotional response to a mention of undeniable reality is really similar to the problem we have trying to change any minds on vaccination.
If you think changing minds on vaccination is completely impossible and we should all just embrace nihilism then nevermind. Manadates won't matter in that scheme, either.A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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09-17-2021, 11:44 AM #12750
OMG. That's quite LITERALLY exactly what I was saying at the time too. But I got bashed for wanting to wait for more data. See my point? When certain people like them say something, they're being "scientific" with their approach. So wise. So bold. When I say quite literally the same thing, it's going against "teh SiEnTS!"
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