To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[SumJongGuy]

Sure, but multiple states (like MT) have laws banning employers from doing so. Montana even bars PUBLIC ACCOMODATIONS from imposing vax mandates. Because FREEDUMB.

That's something that even this SCOTUS won't uphold. Businesses have the right to refuse... as long as it's not some protected, marginalized minority protected by ADA or The Civil Rights Act of 1964

[sirbumpsalot]

Apparently it's ok to be exposed to a hazard at work if it's also a hazard of daily life. I don't get it. The difference between work and daily life is that at work you do what your boss tells you to. If you don't have the ability to work from home your boss can make you work all day a few feet from a sick person on a meatpacking line for example. Outside of work I have a choice who to spend long periods of time close to. I can have my groceries brought out to the car. I can avoid public gatherings etc. Yeah you have a choice not to work--you can be starving and homeless.

At home I am free to get up on the roof and fall off and break my neck--a hazard of daily life. But OSHA mandates that at work I wear a harness and clip to a safety line.

But since when did the SCOTUS pay any attention to common sense, the law, and the Constitution. Every time they issue a ruling they lose a little more of what little credibility they have. The idea that it's about the law and not politics is as credible is the idea that a politician isn't influenced by people that give them money or doctors aren't influenced by drug companies that send them on luxury trips.

Read the SCOTUS writeup. Its more about the constitutionality of the executive branch using OSHA to do congress's dirty work....

The Medical Industry mandate is tied to federal funding. If Medical facility refused to accept Medicare/Medicaid I suppose the mandate wouldn't apply to them...

[Harry]

Andy of Mayberry dealt with these anti-vaxx bumpkins back in 1962




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[old goat]

Read the SCOTUS writeup. Its more about the constitutionality of the executive branch using OSHA to do congress's dirty work....

The Medical Industry mandate is tied to federal funding. If Medical facility refused to accept Medicare/Medicaid I suppose the mandate wouldn't apply to them...

Congress did the dirty work--it created OSHA. The reason that we have regulatory agencies is because even in the best of times (whenever they were) Congress doesn't have the expertise or the time to write laws that deal with every aspect of a regulated industry, let alone rewrite the laws as new information becomes available, and still less ability to foresee contingencies, like Covid.

This is a decision that has huge implications far beyond Covid. There is a movement on the right, largely bankrolled by corporations, which isn't much talked about --a movement to basically dismantle the federal regulatory apparatus and require Congress to specifically enact every detailed regulation. How many ppm of a carcinogen in your water, what pesticides can be used and what precautions have to be taken to use them. How much reserve a bank has to have. What information has to be disclosed to potential stock buyers. All of this would require legislation.

The current regulatory apparatus, where Congress creates agencies and tasks them with writing rules to carry out certain ends--like protecting workers--has served us pretty well for many decades, flawed as it is. We take it for granted but we shouldn't. The reason the corporate right wants Congress to have to write the actual rules is obvious--it won't happen.

The vaccine mandate decision is the first one I've heard about carrying out this agenda. It won't be the last. If you are a fan of DDT and having to bail out banks to prevent financial catastrophe you should be happy. Otherwise you should be very scared.

[Dumb0ldDad]

The NCAA updated guidance to consider athletes as "fully vaxxed" within 90 days of an infection. The short time frame seems strange considering natural immunity is widely reported to be more robust than vax especially longer term (4-6 months+), but it's encouraging that some common sense is starting to show up in policy at a national organization.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'm pretty sure that many large employers will still have vaccine and mask requirements for all employees working on company property or visiting customer locations. It protects them from risk exposure and will keep their self insured healthcare costs down. It's the larger mom and pop operations that will be COVID soup. Let them eat what they serve. We'll find out how sustainable that is or isn't.

It'll be dictated by the free market... meaning if it's more costly to do something then nothing will be done. That's worrisome for so many health issues outside of COVID.

[SumJongGuy]

The NCAA updated guidance to consider athletes as "fully vaxxed" within 90 days of an infection. The short time frame seems strange considering natural immunity is widely reported to be more robust than vax especially longer term (4-6 months+), but it's encouraging that some common sense is starting to show up in policy at a national organization.

There is nothing factual in everything above.. 2Vax+Boost+COVIDD>2Vax+Boost>>2Vax>COVID

[ex-powderbroker]

doesn’t matter he’s just going to delete it anyway

[dunfree]

doesn’t matter he’s just going to delete it anyway

hes not just deleting them.

[seano732]

Go on…….

[ex-powderbroker]

hes not just deleting them.

garbage regardless

[The SnowShow]

806k new cases today with almost 2k deaths.
111k just for CA.
JFC

[The AD]

The short time frame seems strange considering natural immunity is widely reported to be more robust than vax especially longer term (4-6 months+)

I've seen plenty of studies linked here that have come to the opposite conclusion, but none that support your assertion above.

[::: :::]

hes not just deleting them.

???

[MakersTeleMark]

The NCAA updated guidance to consider athletes as "fully vaxxed" within 90 days of an infection. The short time frame seems strange considering natural immunity is widely reported to be more robust than vax especially longer term (4-6 months+), but it's encouraging that some common sense is starting to show up in policy at a national organization.

Just ban this fucker and get it over with please.

[skifishbum]

Vibes sent for SFB’s old man.


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thanks they needed to go in thru the ribs and add a few units of blood keep him overnight and do some blood/lab work today
But the doc thinks he got a good plug/seal and this one will last longer than the 4 months the last repair lasted
hopefully we can git em home today
the kids at work tell me maybe i aint gots the covid cause the american spirit and diggty dab lungs are coated and theres a study sayin smot pokers
are safer
well yeah

[paulster2626]

Andy of Mayberry dealt with these anti-vaxx bumpkins back in 1962




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So what did he end up doing to Rave Hollister? Just shoot him in the face?

[Bunion 2020]

Quote Originally Posted by sirbumpsalot View Post

Read the SCOTUS writeup. Its more about the constitutionality of the executive branch using OSHA to do congress's dirty work....

The Medical Industry mandate is tied to federal funding. If Medical facility refused to accept Medicare/Medicaid I suppose the mandate wouldn't apply to them...
Congress did the dirty work--it created OSHA. The reason that we have regulatory agencies is because even in the best of times (whenever they were) Congress doesn't have the expertise or the time to write laws that deal with every aspect of a regulated industry, let alone rewrite the laws as new information becomes available, and still less ability to foresee contingencies, like Covid.

This is a decision that has huge implications far beyond Covid. There is a movement on the right, largely bankrolled by corporations, which isn't much talked about --a movement to basically dismantle the federal regulatory apparatus and require Congress to specifically enact every detailed regulation. How many ppm of a carcinogen in your water, what pesticides can be used and what precautions have to be taken to use them. How much reserve a bank has to have. What information has to be disclosed to potential stock buyers. All of this would require legislation.

The current regulatory apparatus, where Congress creates agencies and tasks them with writing rules to carry out certain ends--like protecting workers--has served us pretty well for many decades, flawed as it is. We take it for granted but we shouldn't. The reason the corporate right wants Congress to have to write the actual rules is obvious--it won't happen.

The vaccine mandate decision is the first one I've heard about carrying out this agenda. It won't be the last. If you are a fan of DDT and having to bail out banks to prevent financial catastrophe you should be happy. Otherwise you should be very scared.

In this case you are both correct.

[old goat]

In this case you are both correct.

Not possible. : -- )

[Toadman]

Just go to China and walk though a factory to see what not having an OSHA style branch of gov't gets you. Although it has gotten better there over the past 20 years.

I spent years dealing with OSHA and having to go through extensive OSHA training just so I could keep my staff safe. You would think it's common sense and good judgement, but there's a lot that goes into keeping someone from seriously injuring themselves or killing themselves on a job that involves heavy machinery, electrical equipment or hazardous chemicals. It sucks when one of your staff gets injured on the job. Forget about it if they end up dead.

The right wing majority SCOTUS wants to get back to a time when companies have no responsibilities, i.e. liability for the safety of their employees. Especially that POS Gorsuch. Workers to him are a necessary evil to the corporate overlords.

Oh well, it is what it is. Stay safe out there. The world is a dangerous place, and getting more so every day.

[Falcon3]

Especially that POS Gorsuch. Workers to him are a necessary evil to the corporate overlords.
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I certainly won’t defend the guy on most counts but I remember reading something during his confirmation he wrote about that controversial truck driver decision he made on his last seat, which actually made a lot of sense to me.

Basically it said that he often ruled in favor of corporations instead of the individuals they hurt because our laws are written so they’re more likely to protect industry than individuals. And if he ruled otherwise he’d be legislating from the bench, even if it felt like the “right” thing to do. Basically if we want to fix these problems we need to vote in people that will write better laws to protect individuals and remove power from corporations.

I haven’t read all of his decisions so I dont know if that interview/decision was full of shit or not, but that logic actually made a lot of sense to me.

[bodywhomper]

CVS had some available on line as of yesterday--a newly FDA approved test
When I went looking at CVS they said come back midday Wednesday (yesterday). I did, and the check out clerk was selling them out of a box at the register.
When I went in to Rite Aid they said come back Monday--so Truckee folks might try that. And maybe asking the pharmacy when they expect their next shipment will work other places.
Of course Truckee is an corner part of the universe. YMMV

I feel sorry for the folks in pharmacies--the phones must be ringing off the hook with people asking about rapid tests.

It's just as bad or worse in west county. It's broadly advertised when the different pharmacies receive their weekly shipment of rapid tests. In my mind, the trickiest part is that currently somebody can be contagious with omicron for several days before having a positive test on an antigen test (and somebody can be contagious for more than a day before testing positive on a pcr test with nasal swab as the method of sample collection). so people rushing to get a rapid test because they are feeling bad and then testing negative may still be sick and contagious,

with locally available PCR tests, I just looked: the first available county testing center appt in west county isn't until 1/18 (you can go to truckee today to get tested at their county center).

[riser4]

My bad. Content deleted. I thought it was relevant. It wasn't.

[MakersTeleMark]

If that isn't enough to move this shit to pollyass, I don't know what is.

[bennymac]

You do get that we can just delete a post instead of moving the thread right?