To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[XXX-er]

actualy a vaccinated person who can still Identify as unvaccinated might be a good ploy to get everyone vaccinated ?

the born again unvaccinated, not unlike the born-again-Virgin ?

[SumJongGuy]

I tried the Googles for German Health Care Policy and did not find anything to validate what I posted. One article did mention the new government will be voting on much stricter restrictions. While I would agree that health care is a basic human right (thinking smokers and fatties) under extreme conditions (no ICU beds) I think it fair they and the non vaccinated go to the end of the health care line.

In practice there are already efforts underway to charge the unvaxxed much higher healthcare insurance premiums... same as they already do for smokers.. but even higher rates..

[garyfromterrace]

“It”?

Close to my thoughts. May I suggest "twit"?

[XXX-er]

In practice there are already efforts underway to charge the unvaxxed much higher healthcare insurance premiums... same as they already do for smokers.. but even higher rates..

do you mean in America or Chermany ? Everyone should have the freedom to chose the HC they can't afford\\

won't work up here

[garyfromterrace]

I tried the Googles for German Health Care Policy and did not find anything to validate what I posted. One article did mention the new government will be voting on much stricter restrictions. While I would agree that health care is a basic human right (thinking smokers and fatties) under extreme conditions (no ICU beds) I think it fair they and the non vaccinated go to the end of the health care line.

The missus just got back from visiting her daughter, granddaughter and SIL. Said they are now instituting vaccine req'ments for getting into bars and restaurants.

[XXX-er]

Close to my thoughts. May I suggest "twit"?

She wasnt happy about it but hey at least she got the Vax , you know there are a lot of special flowers here eh G

[skiJ]

schindler -

you're forgetting the recent tangent in which a magg. claimed 'dumbass' was the magg's pronoun of choice and was greatly criticized for the magg's lack of enlightenment and lack of sensitivity.

written communication can be ,,, creative
( it's interesting the criticism that draws ).

I see goat's humor - and
will simply refer to the Unvaccinated as Unvaccinated ( adjective / noun / (pronoun) ).

I like your thoughts about rational and ( especially) moral conduct ;
the idea of a "social contract" is raised again, to which my response remains, the Unvaccinated do not recognize a "social contract regarding covid" ;
to the Unvaccinated, it is Only a matter of personal 'freedom' and covid is a fraud / hoax, etc., etc.

liv -
Where did you read Germany was restricting access to medical care ?
I also find nothing about medical care - though Policy regarding "hospitality" may change. ( Politico )

If I was going to include another idea in this post it would be in response to the idea that omicron would lead to population immunity and the pandemic will be over in February...



I don't think so -
( has Tacoma updated it's isolation / quarantine Policy yet ? ?? )

... carry on.
Thanks - at least it has not been so Dark today.

skiJ

[Buzzworthy]

written communication can be ,,, creative
( it's interesting the criticism that draws ).

skiJ

Honest question: how did you come up with the style of “writing” and why did you decide to butcher the English language?

2nd question: do you know anyone else on this earth that writes like this?

3rd: do you think people actually enjoy reading this style of writing?

[skiskiskiskiski]

I tried the Googles for German Health Care Policy and did not find anything to validate what I posted. One article did mention the new government will be voting on much stricter restrictions. While I would agree that health care is a basic human right (thinking smokers and fatties) under extreme conditions (no ICU beds) I think it fair they and the non vaccinated go to the end of the health care line.

Should drinkers also go to the back of the healthcare line? Should an anorexic teenager with heart problems from not eating be treated better than an obese teenager with complications from type 2 diabetes caused by genetics and over eating? What about skiers injured taking big risks? People who attempt suicide and survive with injuries/health problems? Pot smokers?

People who get covid while traveling during pandemic?

I kind of think antivaxxers should go to the back of the line, and with things like organ transplants current health and likelihood of a person taking care of themselves is taken into account. All in all, though,, its pretty ridiculous to think that its fair to judge someone's right to access healthcare based on if they are a "fattie" or if they smoke cigarettes.

[SumJongGuy]

Should drinkers also go to the back of the healthcare line? Should an anorexic teenager with heart problems from not eating be treated better than an obese teenager with complications from type 2 diabetes caused by genetics and over eating? What about skiers injured taking big risks? People who attempt suicide and survive with injuries/health problems? Pot smokers?

People who get covid while traveling during pandemic?

I kind of think antivaxxers should go to the back of the line, and with things like organ transplants current health and likelihood of a person taking care of themselves is taken into account. All in all, though,, its pretty ridiculous to think that its fair to judge someone's right to access healthcare based on if they are a "fattie" or if they smoke cigarettes.

Is there a widely available FREE vaccine that makes those ailments 95% less likely to require hospitalization?

I'll wait while you check..


If there was and they refused to take it then yes, absolutely end of the line...

[seano732]

Should drinkers also go to the back of the healthcare line? Should an anorexic teenager with heart problems from not eating be treated better than an obese teenager with complications from type 2 diabetes caused by genetics and over eating? What about skiers injured taking big risks? People who attempt suicide and survive with injuries/health problems? Pot smokers?

People who get covid while traveling during pandemic?

I kind of think antivaxxers should go to the back of the line, and with things like organ transplants current health and likelihood of a person taking care of themselves is taken into account. All in all, though,, its pretty ridiculous to think that its fair to judge someone's right to access healthcare based on if they are a "fattie" or if they smoke cigarettes.

No one here gives a flying fuck what you think, JONG. And what SJG said.

[Smoova]

Is there a widely available FREE vaccine that makes those ailments 95% less likely to require hospitalization?

I'll wait while you check..

Can smokers stop smoking, skiers stop skiing, fatties stop fatting, etc?

[SumJongGuy]

Can smokers stop smoking, skiers stop skiing, fatties stop fatting, etc?

There's a pretty immediate fix to prevent COVID hospitalization.. Not so much for those things.. and the healthcare system's built to handle that already.. If there was a magic shot to reduce the need for 95% of them to go to the hospital and they refused to take it definitely put them at the end of the line behind you anti vax idiots..

Might as well say people shouldn't ski or bike, especially road bike or motorcycles.. Add swimming to the list of risky activates.. at the top.

[SumJongGuy]

Smoking is actually a much better parallel for mask use. Both smoking and unmasked in a pandemic are exhaling potential poison on others. Every place smoking is not allowed, masks should be required.. Executive order that shit..

[Smoova]

There's a pretty immediate fix to prevent COVID hospitalization.. Not so much for those things.. and the healthcare system's built to handle that already.. If there was a magic shot to reduce the need for 95% of them to go to the hospital and they refused to take it definitely put them at the end of the line behind you anti vax idiots..

Pretty quick, easy and cheap to stop skiing. The healthcare system (and all of our insurance rates) will expand to accommodate endemic COVID, just as it previously expanded to accommodate the rise in smokers and fatties. My entire family is thrice-vaxxed.

[PNWbrit]

I tried the Googles for German Health Care Policy and did not find anything to validate what I posted. One article did mention the new government will be voting on much stricter restrictions. While I would agree that health care is a basic human right (thinking smokers and fatties) under extreme conditions (no ICU beds) I think it fair they and the non vaccinated go to the end of the health care line.

Yeah there's no such thing going on in Germany... they have tight vaccine mandates and tougher being discussed but not removing healthcare coverage.

[XXX-er]

Honest question: how did you come up with the style of “writing” and why did you decide to butcher the English language?

3rd: do you think people actually enjoy reading this style of writing?

unusual style I would agree but I always understand skiJ

while I almost never understand skifishbum so i guess

in any case they make my writing look better

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I don’t think anyone should be denied care. We need universal coverage in this country and going down that road makes that improbable. We all make bad decisions in life.

There’s also the issue of it being against the law to deny care and with our current system that needs to remain sacrosanct.


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[bennymac]

Doctors already have it hard enough having to manage care in times of overwhelming demand and limited resources. Don’t make it harder by putting the onus on them to decide who is living well enough to get what level of care.

That does happen in limited situations (does a hardcore long-standing alcoholic with liver failure qualify for a transplant? Where do they go on the donor list - do you put them ahead of someone whose’s liver failed because of cancer etc?)

We can talk tough on a population level. But families get their lawyers on the phone when it comes down to an individual patient level - and at that point society isn’t there for that lone doctor and the years long complaint and lawsuit process.

[sirbumpsalot]

No one here gives a flying fuck what you think, JONG. And what SJG said.

And the echo chamber rolls on.....

[CarlMega]

We can talk tough on a population level. But families get their lawyers on the phone when it comes down to an individual patient level - and at that point society isn’t there for that lone doctor and the years long complaint and lawsuit process.

Perceived scarcity always brings out 'the worthy' rationing talk. The Right's entire ethos is built upon it.

Understand the frustration but I don't think we are ready for that problematic option here so it's not worth too much of our brain space. Let's face it - extremely unlikely to ration care to the unvax'd. US Healthcare will be doled out as it always is: dependent upon your means & who you know.

[SumJongGuy]

I don’t think anyone should be denied care. We need universal coverage in this country and going down that road makes that improbable. We all make bad decisions in life.

There’s also the issue of it being against the law to deny care and with our current system that needs to remain sacrosanct.


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Fine then put them in a parking lot tent with all the horse dewormer they can swallow..

[seano732]

And the echo chamber rolls on.....

Wait wut? Me not wanting to entertain the inanities of a newb JONG is evidence to you of an echo chamber? As Spock would say, fascinating…….

[skiJ]

Buzz. -
You've been on Ignore for a while now.
" Honest question" : what have I written that you believe 'butchers the English language' ?

I made some adjustments in how I write -here- a few months ago, Because some of what I write, I hope has merit.
Some of it is just ventilation.


If XXX- doesn't quote your post,
I don't see it.
You are welcome to skip my posts, too

( I understnd I don't use enough profanity to entertain ;
that is rarely why I am here. )

If you think using the word 'Unvaccinated' instead of a pronoun 'butchers the English languuage,

I apologize ... I am not-sorry.

Sincerely. tj

[SumJongGuy]

Buckle up.. Omicron has jumped the shark. Next up, Deltacron! Er umm not really.. Next up IHU?

A new coronavirus variant nicknamed "Deltacron" has been discovered in Cyprus, local media reported on Saturday.

The variant has a similar genetic background to the Delta variant, as well as some of the mutations from Omicron, explained Dr. Leondios Kostrikis, the head of the laboratory of biotechnology and molecular virology at the University of Cyprus, according to the Cyprus Mail.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ehp&li=BBnb7Kz