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  1. #13501
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Fun with numbers
    From midnight to 1330 hrs Pacific Time, there have been on this thread:
    - 42 posts from four accounts dedicated to Sophistry (Austin, Aspen, Deebased and SkiDog)
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    0 evidence that people previously infected with Covid need to get a booster shot to participate in society when their antibodies work as well/if not better than those with the vaccine. “Super human immunity” is not a legitimate argument.

    why the fuck are you inconsiderate assholes going out and getting a third shot when 1/3 of the worlds population doesn’t even have access to a 1st shot? I thought this was about helping the neighbors and keeping the virus under control? Doesn’t everyone need a life saving shot? Why is your 3rd shot more important than someone else’s 1st shot?!? Don’t you care about anyone else???

    I love the disingenuous concern to vaccinate everyone that’s had Covid because we “need to gain immunity” and yet they’re out there taking away those precious vaccines from countries and people who could actually use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Is this a poll or a study ?
    It’s a compilation
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    0 evidence that people previously infected with Covid need to get a booster shot to participate in society when their antibodies work as well/if not better than those with the vaccine. .
    This is incorrect. No matter how many times you try to bring this up, it won't be valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    0 evidence that people previously infected with Covid need to get a booster shot to participate in society when their antibodies work as well/if not better than those with the vaccine.
    Wrong, just wrong. Please stop talking until you read Mofro's linked article.

    Edit: Buster beat me to it.

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    contrarian: "haha - you're gonna need a booster! Whadya got to say about that huh? checkmate"

    Ok I'll take the booster. No problem.

    contrarian: "Oh you'll take a booster will ya? what about other countries that need that booster huh? you selfish"

    facepalm

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Holy shit I missed this gem. Congrats on the most transparently disingenuous post of the day. That’s hard to to do given the bullshit posted in this thread today. Way to prove to everyone you are just here to be a total dick.
    Oh why is it disingenuous? Because there is some actual immunity from future infection if you previously survived covid? Hmmm. Ever wonder if a lot of people think that means they don't need a vax? It's right there...read the entire article...should we ignore this DR?

    Again...stupid responses from stupid people blinded by only what they want to see/hear. Never mind reality. I think ostriches stick their heads in the sand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Here we go again for the 50th time. None of this has changed in any of the 49 other times it's been posted.


    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/co...us-vaccination



    ...
    Where did anyone say better? Is it effective enough? Some people say yes. Seems the ex FDA director does too. Weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    0 evidence that people previously infected with Covid need to get a booster shot to participate in society when their antibodies work as well/if not better than those with the vaccine. “Super human immunity” is not a legitimate argument.

    why the fuck are you inconsiderate assholes going out and getting a third shot when 1/3 of the worlds population doesn’t even have access to a 1st shot? I thought this was about helping the neighbors and keeping the virus under control? Doesn’t everyone need a life saving shot? Why is your 3rd shot more important than someone else’s 1st shot?!? Don’t you care about anyone else???

    I love the disingenuous concern to vaccinate everyone that’s had Covid because we “need to gain immunity” and yet they’re out there taking away those precious vaccines from countries and people who could actually use them.
    It's almost like it should be simple huh? Naaaa mOrE Sh0+z PuLEa$3

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    Should I get my annual flu shot first or my booster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Should I get my annual flu shot first or my booster?
    Flu is supposed to be worse this year because most of us didn't encounter it last season due to the masks. You already have COVID antibodies, but not much for flu. Get the flu shot first then I think 2 weeks after that you could do the booster right?
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post
    Should I get my annual flu shot first or my booster?
    Combine them. Anal booster? This is getting interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Oh why is it disingenuous?
    It is disingenuous because you wrote "Thought there wasnt any protection from covid with prior infection? Weird..." and nobody is saying there is no protection from prior infection.

    People were discussing this back in spring 2020, long before you adopted it as your personal talking point. There's also been an ongoing discussion about mild vs convalescent protection from prior infection. And back in Jan/Feb of this year there was a discussion about how single dose folks "with pre-existing immunity" develop the highest number of antibodies and the strongest immune response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Combine them. Anal booster? This is getting interesting.
    That's probably going to be a real thing next year.. at least I've been hoping all along for that.. or at least be able to get the two shots at the same time. One in each arm!
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SorryBro View Post
    Wrong, just wrong. Please stop talking until you read Mofro's linked article.

    Edit: Buster beat me to it.
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

    again - a scientific study that proves my point. The problem with TGR is the hive mind of the majority of its posters that can’t seem to think for themselves. Anything the hive mind says is law and anyone or anything that goes against it is automatically chastised and ignored regardless of the validity of their own sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    It's almost like it should be simple huh? Naaaa mOrE Sh0+z PuLEa$3
    If you weed thru the general incoherence from you two, your arguments distill down to: get sick and that's good. With a general theme of: we should do nothing.

    There's not been a measure you haven't argued against: distancing, masks, vaccines, boosters, tracing. There's always some edge-case fucking nit pick. Seriously, get a life.

    How about you two geniuses present your grand fucking plan or GTFO. Bring the detail, not the counter-punch nitpicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Where did anyone say better? Is it effective enough? Some people say yes. Seems the ex FDA director does too. Weird.

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    mtu and you repeatedly claim that nat immunity "antibodies work as well/if not better than those with the vaccine".

    The linked article refutes this hands down.

    I guess this is all just trolling on your part and the attacks are appropriate.
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    At least we know we can trust him to come back and totally retract his bullshit when that study gets overhauled in peer review. So that's nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

    again - a scientific study that proves my point. The problem with TGR is the hive mind of the majority of its posters that can’t seem to think for themselves. Anything the hive mind says is law and anyone or anything that goes against it is automatically chastised and ignored regardless of the validity of their own sources.
    For the fifth time, that Israeli unreviewed preprint has been debunked. There was no control group. One group was older and had higher exposure incidents.


    Due to the matching process, only 4% of the available data is used (i.e. for model 1 only 32430/736559) and as a consequence the study population is fairly younger (with expectedly less comorbidity) than the source population (i.e. vaccinated individuals, infected individuals). Therefore, the study population may not be representative of this source population which severely limits the external validity of results for all vaccinated/infected people.
    - Naturally, subjects who died due to previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were not included in the study. Yet, without information on morbidity and mortality and contribution to the spread of SARS-CoV-2 from the primary infection, the results of the study are not informative for the question whether people without previous SARS-CoV-2 infection should be vaccinated or await natural infection.
    - All three study groups – vaccinated or infected at baseline (28th of February) – were established upon future information (no infection, no additional vaccination after June 1, 2021), which severely limits the use of the results for today’s decision making.

    https://disqus.com/by/henrivanwerkhoven/comments/
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1

    again - a scientific study that proves my point. The problem with TGR is the hive mind of the majority of its posters that can’t seem to think for themselves. Anything the hive mind says is law and anyone or anything that goes against it is automatically chastised and ignored regardless of the validity of their own sources.
    remains unclear
    All I need to know about that study..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asspen View Post
    Wait, don't we get Alberta?
    No. Because then you would extract more tar sands oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    At least we know we can trust him to come back and totally retract his bullshit when that study gets overhauled in peer review. So that's nice.
    Whatever you're on, how much does it cost and can I have some?

    This is stupid. In these cases, the abuse is fitting. But it will only make things worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Oh why is it disingenuous? Because there is some actual immunity from future infection if you previously survived covid? Hmmm. Ever wonder if a lot of people think that means they don't need a vax?
    Well, they could read (for example) what Mofro quoted a few posts up and it would answer the question about why they should still get vaxxed, or is that too much to ask?
    "Studies show that the vaccine gives a very good booster response if you've had COVID-19 before," says Dr. Rupp.
    By the way, have you found where anyone here said you can't get any immunity from having Covid yet? We're still waiting for that evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    It is disingenuous because you wrote "Thought there wasnt any protection from covid with prior infection? Weird..." and nobody is saying there is no protection from prior infection.

    People were discussing this back in spring 2020, long before you adopted it as your personal talking point. There's also been an ongoing discussion about mild vs convalescent protection from prior infection. And back in Jan/Feb of this year there was a discussion about how single dose folks "with pre-existing immunity" develop the highest number of antibodies.
    Plenty of people here 100% saying that. Saying no matter what get a vax, but see that's the choice. I haven't seen any stats on breakthroughs with prior covid, only that "all those in hospitals are non vaxxed". How many are prior infections that weren't vaxxed?

    You should be thinking about being disingenuous about the fact that "vax is the only way" isn't the mantra here.

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    Some of the issues with the favorite study of the month (scroll down to original reply):

    https://disqus.com/by/henrivanwerkhoven/comments/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    All I need to know about that study..
    It also hasn't been peer reviewed. Taking it as fact at this moment is not appropriate.

    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Some of the issues with the favorite study of the month (scroll down to original reply):

    https://disqus.com/by/henrivanwerkhoven/comments/
    More statistics for MF, skidog, MTUhockey and others to misunderstand.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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