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10-03-2021, 03:45 PM #14801
The vaccine lowers the probability of contracting covid for everyone, particularly in nexus situations like schools.
Death from covid is only one of the results, so are long term complications.
Not everyone is being abusive. Old Goat is positively avuncular.
Calling out the unvaccinated as raising the likelihood of covid transmission is simple science.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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10-03-2021, 03:52 PM #14802Banned
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10-03-2021, 03:57 PM #14803
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10-03-2021, 04:05 PM #14804
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10-03-2021, 04:09 PM #14805
I had to look it up -
I did not find old goat's post "avuncular" ( though Many of his posts are ) -
to me, he came across as a crusty (old. as in experienced ) Surgeon - -
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and I do not mean that badly -
there is wisdom in his Experience...
respectfully. skiJ
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10-03-2021, 04:19 PM #14806
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10-03-2021, 04:29 PM #14807Registered User
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Just looking for a study that says there Is more reward than risk for kids under 12 to take the vaccine. Here is one showing risk https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...suggests-study
The Pfizer trial is 2200 kids. The data doesn’t really show the vaccine is beneficial or not for under 12. Apparently you guys have a lot more trust in pharmaceutical companies than I do. It looks like next month on emergency use it should be available. I’m glad there are real patriots here that will put their kids first in line for it. Thank you
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10-03-2021, 04:32 PM #14808
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10-03-2021, 04:41 PM #14809Registered User
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Them being your progeny doesn't qualify you to make the decision whether it's worth the "risk" or to decide if there is a "risk"[/QUOTE]
Stupidest thing I might have ever read on here. I believe it’s a parents job to decide if it’s worth the risk, nobody else
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10-03-2021, 04:42 PM #14810
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10-03-2021, 04:43 PM #14811
I can understand that your proclivities to telemark might raise some doubt as to your parenting skills.
But some of us can relate regarding the unbound terror that dealing with decisions that will impact the most important thing one has evar expeienced.
Your hesitancy is natural, but the health of your kids requires the best adherence to the data and studies once they come out.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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10-03-2021, 04:54 PM #14812I drink it up
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Seeing as kids can’t really make their own decisions on the topic, and given just how dumb so many parents are on topics ranging from vaccinations to education to religion, I’d have to agree with PNW. Society has a dramatic interest in safeguarding these “decisions.”
focus.
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10-03-2021, 04:59 PM #14813
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10-03-2021, 04:59 PM #14814
I'm not down with the authoritarianism or treating this particular concerned parent as dumb.
Give the poster some credit that they're looking for studies.
In all likelihood, the studies will show little risk for kids, but I can understand the concern.
I think jono articulated this type of risk well with regard to mandates for adults.
The funny thing is, I base the rights of parents, mothers in particular, to make such a decision regarding abortion. It is not the states right to dictate that decision.
It's our job to convince and cajole, not to abuse and berate those that are appealing for studies. Even if they tele.
Let the studies pan out and base some decision on that.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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10-03-2021, 05:09 PM #14815
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10-03-2021, 05:11 PM #14816
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10-03-2021, 05:15 PM #14817Banned
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We have a society full of people who think they understand things they don't who are listening to, believing and centering their whole identity around people telling them lies.
More studies won't help anyone they will just find ways to lie about those and make up misleading ones.
100% of people with severe reactions to the vaccine had a severe reaction!
PS i dont think people should be required to vaccinated their spawn, but spawn required to be vaccinated to go to school and participate in extracurricular activities.
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10-03-2021, 05:22 PM #14818
Altasnob says it illegal to alter my post.
I'm getting on the phone to Dan Samas first thing.
"The funny thing is, I base the rights of parents, mothers in particular, to make such a decision regarding abortion. It is not the states right to dictate that decision."
Describing pregnant women as mothers... that's a slippery slope.
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10-03-2021, 06:02 PM #14819
I learned a new word today. (Although uncles can be evil too--see Wicked Uncle Ernie
In the Guardian article there is a pertinent quote--"Their analysis of medical data suggests that boys aged 12 to 15, with no underlying medical conditions, are four to six times more likely to be diagnosed with vaccine-related myocarditis than ending up in hospital with Covid over a four-month period."
The risk of myocarditis is shortly after the vaccination. The risk of covid is for as long as the pandemic goes on so the overall risk of covid in the next 1-2 years and maybe longer will continue to rise. The great majority of these relatively rare cases (162/million) of myocarditis appear to recover without lasting effect. Finally, there is a different standard of risk for a drug used to treat a disease in an individual patient and a vaccine to prevent the transmission of a potentially lethal communicable disease. The risk/reward equation has to include the reward to the contacts of the individual. If I were a 55 year old teacher I would not be willing to teach a roomful of unvaccinated elementary school kids once vaccine was approved for their age.
Stupidest thing I might have ever read on here. I believe it’s a parents job to decide if it’s worth the risk, nobody else
In nearly all situations I would agree with you--if your child is ill and there is a potentially dangerous treatment with an uncertain benefit then the parents should make the call. In the case of covid vaccines though the call will be made by virologists and epidemiologists and ultimately by politicians on the state level--see the California mandate for the vaccination of school children. Of course if you are lucky enough to live in a place like Florida you probably won't have to worry about it.
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10-03-2021, 06:11 PM #14820
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10-03-2021, 06:17 PM #14821Registered User
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10-03-2021, 06:20 PM #14822Banned
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10-03-2021, 06:33 PM #14823
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10-03-2021, 06:43 PM #14824
Just read this in a story about Dr. Fauci's recent TV appearances:
Fauci dismissed attempts to blame immigrants and tourists as a major source of the spread of COVID in the U.S., a belief held by 37% of Americans overall and 55% of Republicans, according to a recent poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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10-03-2021, 07:03 PM #14825
frustrating -
I am concerned by every article that refers to vaccination as ' (a) jab ' -
poking someone with your finger is 'a jab' ; administering a vaccination is Not a jab.
the information in the article summarizes data from at least two studies -
the rate of reported effects ranged from estimates of six per million, to ( 162.2) per million - an almost 27-fold Range
( I do not know how they make these claims -
to estimate '6 per million' one has to evaluate more than 160,000 vaccine recipients Under the age of 18 ( the article did not say when the UK data was collected, but did say teenagers in UK have been receiving the vaccine longer ) ;
to estimate '162 per million' one has to evaluate more than 6000 vaccine recipients Under the age of 18 between January 2021 and June 2021 ( huh ? ) --
to me, this is just statistical modeling.
also, the article said, " there was no follow-up on duration and severity of illness. " WHAT ! ? !
so someone was hospitalized, because they said their chest hurt, and their chart was coded as 'pericarditis' or 'myocarditis' and when their 'chest pain' passed, they were discharged.
ah. 162 per million. 0.000162 or 0.0162% - from a statistical model. And
6 per million. 0.000006 or 0.0006% ( Less than one in a thousand ), and
the ony study of covid reported 44 per million ( teenagers ). And
the studies say nothing about kids Under 12. Because the 'studies' ( I am very reluctant to call them that ) are of kids ages 12 - 18.
finally,
Please Remember, Vaccination is a program to control a disease throughout a society ( or, in the case of a "world-wide pandemic" for the human species ) ;
I appreciate your concern for your children - and there is a bigger picture.
there should not be a 27-fold variation in the claimed incidence of an effect
( the statistics do not make sense to me; nor do the clinical reports ( no follow-up - that is a data point, it is NOT a diagnosis ! )
I am sorry for a couple of responses to your posts -
an individual has returned to express support for your position, for whom many here are out of patience.
there is fatigue. there is weariness...
Please remember -
the pandemic is about More than individual immunity, and
Vaccination is a great tool ( both for the individual, and for controlling the spread of the disease ) !
Thank you for bringing your new perspective to this discussion.
respectfully. tj
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