To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**yeahman** · 09-21-2021, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

“We’re hearing from all these doctors and professionals who have all this education and they’re basically begging us to get the vaccination. The people that are telling us not to, they’re not as educated as these doctors, and they’re following social media. It doesn’t matter if you’re a donkey or an elephant. It is a personal choice, but the numbers don’t lie,” Daryl Rise told KLXY.

Hard to believe the simple common sense of a guy like Daryl Rise is in such short supply in Idaho.

**SeatownSlackey** · 09-21-2021, 10:33 PM

More anecdotal evidence but here in Issaquah where hospitals aren’t quite yet to crisis level I found it shocking to learn that the local hospital’s ICU has regularly been staffed 100% by travel nurses on a lot of shifts lately. Not a knock on travel nurses as my wife was one herself many years ago but it’s indicative of just how many veteran full time employees are utterly spent and burnt out after 18 months of this and have nothing left in the tank to deal with fuckwits who won’t even help themselves.

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**SeatownSlackey** · 09-21-2021, 10:38 PM

Honestly it’s such bullshit that people with non Covid related issues are getting the shaft. Time for all hospitals to start allocating a limited portion of ICU resources to Covid care and thus keeping it open and functional for those that didn’t have a choice to be there

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**::: :::** · 09-21-2021, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by TBS

^^^Nothing gets by you!

just calling em as i see em
balls & strikes

**bennymac** · 09-21-2021, 10:41 PM

Exactly. They are leaving because they’ve had enough of this bullshit that coulda been prevented.

**Flyoverland Captive** · 09-21-2021, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by bennymac

Exactly. They are leaving because they’ve had enough of this bullshit that coulda been prevented.

My wife is taking a job in industry, and leaving direct patient care, after 30 years as an RN (WOCN). She’s burned out by the stupidity of her patients and some of her coworkers. So much ignorance, much of it willful.

I support her decision 100%.

**Yonder_River** · 09-22-2021, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by SeatownSlackey

More anecdotal evidence but here in Issaquah where hospitals aren’t quite yet to crisis level I found it shocking to learn that the local hospital’s ICU has regularly been staffed 100% by travel nurses on a lot of shifts lately. Not a knock on travel nurses as my wife was one herself many years ago but it’s indicative of just how many veteran full time employees are utterly spent and burnt out after 18 months of this and have nothing left in the tank to deal with fuckwits who won’t even help themselves.

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It's pretty common unfortunately. They do make bank though, 100-150/hr.

**Flyoverland Captive** · 09-22-2021, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Yonder_River

It's pretty common unfortunately. They do make bank though, 100-150/hr.

I know a hospital in Florida paying travelers $7000/week. The agency takes a cut on top of that, so the hospital is paying $10k-ish per week per nurse. Unreal.

**twat** · 09-22-2021, 02:24 AM

**MontuckyFried** · 09-22-2021, 07:04 AM

Seem to me that the hospitals' woes are a self-inflicted wound. Yeah, Covid #s are a big problem, but THEY chose to lay off large swathes of their staff during 2020 and then got caught with their pants down during Delta after they had a hard time re-staffing. It's one of those "no shit, Sherlock" moments. Hard to feel bad for them when many a for-profit hospital system laid off staff whilst raking in record profits and paying outsized bonuses to their execs.

Truly sucks for the people who need non-Covid related care, but again, reduced bed capacity is due to staffing. Heads need to roll in the C-Suite. But nope! They'll just get another $20MM this year, give or take a few mil.

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**old_newguy** · 09-22-2021, 07:25 AM

Yawn, I think we did this one a few weeks ago.

**bennymac** · 09-22-2021, 07:37 AM

MF recycling arguments again.

Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh

**Kinnikinnick** · 09-22-2021, 07:51 AM

Its the HOSPITALS’ fault that they are full of unvaccinated COVID-19 patients!!!

LOL!

If only they had a bit more capacity, there would be no problem!

This is the average American. Stupider than a box of rocks (rocks dont believe outright false things) but arrogant as hell that he is so smart.

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**skaredshtles** · 09-22-2021, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by bennymac

MF recycling arguments again.

Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh

Apparently Florida's new "Surgeon General" is a fan of doing Sweden... so I expect an uptick in that horseshit in this thread soon.

**seano732** · 09-22-2021, 08:16 AM

For Skidog:
https://mainebeacon.com/few-health-w...oing-protests/

**Kinnikinnick** · 09-22-2021, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by seano732

For Skidog:
https://mainebeacon.com/few-health-w...oing-protests/

Money talks and bullshit walks

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**old_newguy** · 09-22-2021, 08:24 AM

I just don’t get the “they are all going to walk” argument. All of these people have easily transferable skills that will get them a job with an organization that doesn’t require vaccination or are financially independent or have a spouse that can cover all the bills without a vaccine?

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 09-22-2021, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by old_newguy

I just don’t get the “they are all going to walk” argument. All of these people have easily transferable skills that will get them a job with an organization that doesn’t require vaccination or are financially independent or have a spouse that can cover all the bills without a vaccine?

I already addressed this, for the most part they’re not quitting. It’s just a temper tantrum.

As far as staffing, staff are leaving to travel and make more money. It’s a racket. Addressing MF blaming hospitals that’s just regurgitated click bait headlines. We can staff beds, a good portion of them are full of Covid patients and we need a margin for inpatient care so we adjudicate “elective” surgeries to maintain the ability to care for the patients already in the hospital.

Hospital executives making bank is a separate issue but it makes people like Austin feel better to blame the man.

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**bennymac** · 09-22-2021, 09:07 AM

The great resignation—how do we support and retain staff already stretched to their limit?

https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/09/21...eVEgkVdhethM3Y

“ Eighteen unbroken months of responding to a pandemic have taken a brutal toll. Experiences of inadequate personal protective equipment (PPE), moral distress, challenging ethical decisions, colleagues debilitated and dying, all while striving to provide the best patient care, have left many disillusioned and wounded. This cohort of people are often not on the radar of their employers because they keep working to a high standard until they burn out and quietly withdraw from the job, unnoticed by the system.

The silent loss of highly skilled “go to colleagues”—expert clinicians, mentors, trainers, and key communicators—has a significant impact on patient care, training, career progression, and the workload of colleagues who remain. Loss of this “support framework” may add to the existing pressure on doctors from a high workload, leading to increased burnout, more adverse incidents, and greater patient harm.“

KQ · 09-22-2021, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by bennymac

MF recycling arguments again.

Is it time in this thread for “it’s just a flu” - that took a bakers dozen attempts over a 12 month span before it fizzled out.

We could go with “we should do Sweden” - that one stays fresh

Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

So it's not the flu?

**XXX-er** · 09-22-2021, 09:23 AM

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...VEe81sVH80YayE

A good short read on what is happening to society & why

and if it makes you feel better the exact same thing has reached the narth

acccording to ski bro MD, people are denying they are sick with covid

**riser4** · 09-22-2021, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by KQ

Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

So it's not the flu?

Either way that's still a lot of dead people. And we will never know if a more robust, heck, any response more than what we did, would have reduced that number. I'm pretty sure it would have.

**The AD** · 09-22-2021, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by riser3

Either way that's still a lot of dead people.

And we sure as hell ain't done yet. U.S. still around 2,000 deaths per day.

**Kinnikinnick** · 09-22-2021, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by KQ

Last night on PBS when they were reporting that we'd passed the number of deaths for the Spanish flu they had an expert who said "well.... if you think of the population then and adjust for our population now that would really equal 2m deaths in today's world so we're not even close."

So it's not the flu?

Well we have a vaccine this time around, so account for all those prevented deaths.

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**Adolf Allerbush** · 09-22-2021, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

And we sure as hell ain't done yet. U.S. still around 2,000 deaths per day.

And FL accounting for 19% of the daily deaths while representing only 7% of the US population, but folks like MF/Austin and others think it's no big deal what's going on there, plenty of hospital capacity, etc. Something about being willfully ignorant.