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07-06-2021, 11:52 AM #6351Rod9301
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The virus doesn't care about how good the health care is, it will mutate everywhere, and the longer it takes to get everyone vaccinated, the more it will mutate. And eventually mutate where the existing vaccines will not be effective.
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07-06-2021, 11:55 AM #6352
No pain no gain! LOL. Just kidding. You're right of course. We evolved to become smart enough to ... produce vaccines. We shouldn't knock natural immunity though. We're not talking Chicken Pox Parties. We're talking about whether it is absolutely necessary to also vaccinate people that have recovered from a natural infection.
For all we know it may be that 1 dose of Pfizer plus low exposure multiple times in as many years with a very low grade asymptomatic infection could be the magic bullet for the best worldwide immunity. We won't know for another 10 to 50 years. The mRNA vaccines might also develop to provide immune response to an even broader range of mutations thanks to super computing analyses.OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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07-06-2021, 12:25 PM #6353
As the CCP, FSB et al have been proving, there is no surer way to control Americans (north or south, I expect) than to fill them with the fear that someone is trying to control them. Is there any limit to the stupid bullshit decisions people will hyper-rationalize to avoid being controlled?
No, seriously, if you know what the limit is I want to hear it.A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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07-06-2021, 12:46 PM #6354
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07-06-2021, 12:53 PM #6355
Well obviously it isn't working based on the number of people that have gotten vaccinated. You and your ilk over der are still more protected than us Eskimos with 1 dose. We just use the covid as an excuse to keep out American politics But seriously, everyone is hyper-rationalizing everything because that's what people do when in a state of hyper vigilance and hyper awareness. It is only natural. PTSD Mushroom clinics are gonna moon when this all ends! People be trippin' everywhere in hippie dresses singing kumbaya in a year because we need to find love again. Wait for it.
OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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07-06-2021, 01:06 PM #6356Registered User
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07-06-2021, 01:08 PM #6357
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07-06-2021, 01:17 PM #6358
I just finished watching Biden's speech. If that were a drinking game with vaccine or vaccinated being the trigger word, I'm pretty sure I'd be unconscious now.
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07-06-2021, 01:17 PM #6359
Let no man think his field of study or expertise is or was the magic bullet.
First, please read the posts after I made my post. Second, pandemics were not regular but they were devastating and usually because (1) the overall life expectancy of people was low, (2) there were many other health issues to deal with, and (3) the risk succumbing to a secondary infection was high, and most importantly, because your momma didn't have as much acquired wisdom.**
Books have as much to do with life expectancy and longevity as vaccines. Probably more. Thank Guttenberg for your descendants and their good health not the modern medical profession. Books are what helped pass down the general knowledge leading to an overall upgrade in the health of all civilizations.
I wasn't around in the time of leprosy but that was something that was cured mainly with proper hygiene. Even Islamic and Jewish laws on foods and preparations played a big role in improving life on earth.
The George Forman grill has ushered in an era of obesity and heart disease of which COVID takes full advantage of.
edit: ** and also because the modern economic welfare state didn't exist and wasn't there to provide handouts so that people could isolate at home and rely on cheap foods and goods provided by the most vulnerable and neglected working classes in other less fortunate countries.OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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07-06-2021, 01:20 PM #6360
Forget lumber tariffs, can we enact a word tariff?
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07-06-2021, 02:00 PM #6361
What skin in the game do pharma company execs and government officials have if their potion turns out to have serious side effects in 5 to 10 years? Not asking about the vaccine. Just asking about their accountability to the results once all the chickens have hatched.
OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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07-06-2021, 02:05 PM #6362
It's working well enough. It's a PR campaign to convince the third world that since Americans haven't eradicated the disease they shouldn't trust those mRNA vaccines. Sinovac is more natural. Sputnik doesn't let Bill Gates track you. Trust the CCP, they only want to bring you health, roads, cheap goods and deep holes. As long as there are enough morons around to avoid eradication the strategy will have legs. That people will keep dying who could have lived is just collateral damage. Whose hands are clean in the misinformation wars?
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07-06-2021, 02:23 PM #6363
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07-06-2021, 02:33 PM #6364
Kid Rock?
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07-06-2021, 02:56 PM #6365
Bullshit “what-ifs” from a bunch of intellectual degenerates are exactly that, bullshit.
Shut your pie hole and be a good citizen instead this bullshit.
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07-06-2021, 03:01 PM #6366
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07-06-2021, 03:03 PM #6367
the pureantigravity pie hole spewing more "what-ifs".....
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07-06-2021, 04:15 PM #6368
What is it with skiers and the virus/shot?
The sheer amount of dumbfucks that ski for a living on the internet that I’m “friends” with that don’t follow any science is astonishing.
Education is important folks.
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07-06-2021, 04:17 PM #6369
Hate to break it to ya, Buzz, but it's people in general. Skiers are probably no better or worse.
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07-06-2021, 05:28 PM #6370Registered User
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07-06-2021, 06:33 PM #6371Registered User
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07-06-2021, 06:45 PM #6372
I find this little historical vaccine tidbit facinating:
Smallpox vaccination in napoleonic Italy (1800-1814)“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
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07-06-2021, 07:11 PM #6373
Cool. Love it. Cowpox is the paper to Smallpox's rock. Knowledge spread by the book in 1798. Old wives tales in print saved the day
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In 1798, after testing his discovery on more people, Jenner published his findings in a booklet, An Inquiry into the Causes and Effects of variolae vaccinae, a Disease Discovered in some of the Western Counties of England, Particularly in Gloucestershire, and Known by the Name of Cowpox. In it he concluded that “Cowpox protects the human constitution from the infection of smallpox.”
Jenner’s book was soon translated into several languages, and physicians began performing vaccination throughout Europe.
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I did a google search and found a claim that the Chinese practiced a form of Smallpox inoculation even earlier in the 1500s.
"In The Life and Death of Smallpox, note that in the late 1600s Emperor K'ang Hsi, who had survived smallpox as a child, had his children inoculated. That method involved grinding up smallpox scabs and blowing the matter into nostril. Inoculation may also have been practiced by scratching matter from a smallpox sore into the skin. It is difficult to pinpoint when the practice began, as some sources claim dates as early as 200 BCE."
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/co...se-inoculation
OH, MY GAWD! ―John Hillerman Big Billie Eilish fan.
But that's a quibble to what PG posted (at first, anyway, I haven't read his latest book) ―jono
we are not arguing about ski boots or fashionable clothing or spageheti O's which mean nothing in the grand scheme ― XXX-er
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07-06-2021, 11:35 PM #6374
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07-07-2021, 08:45 AM #6375
Yeah but what if they ultimately find that cowpox vax actually has some negative impact?? People should have avoided this unproven technology until the non experts were convinced!!!!!
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