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09-16-2021, 09:21 AM #12576Banned
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09-16-2021, 09:23 AM #12577
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09-16-2021, 09:25 AM #12578
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09-16-2021, 09:27 AM #12579Banned
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it would be if it wasn’t true… literally everyone on here bashes the anti-vaxxers and I could go back and find quotes where several members say good riddance to the anti-vaxxers.
I realize you’re not one of the major ball busters on here but it’s an ironic quote coming from the vaccinated side lol
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09-16-2021, 09:34 AM #12580Hucked to flat once
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Man you're an asshole. This is my friend I mentioned up thread that I disagree with but we're still friends. This family wasn't on facebook or anywhere else spreading propaganda on vaccines or covid. And if you could fucking read, she has a disorder that requires ICU treatment but is not related to Covid. She doesn't have Covid, she just can't get into a hospital because they are clogged with the unvaccinated. And PS dipshit, the wonderful woman who may die due to lack of available care is vaccinated. Her husband and brother were not.
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09-16-2021, 09:35 AM #12581Rod9301
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09-16-2021, 09:37 AM #12582
In the meantime, you've consistently shrugged off any concerns even when you thought the pandemic 'only' affected 5% of population. You also said things like "hey bud… the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 killed 50,000,000 million worldwide…"
Or in response to protecting the elderly or at risk population you said, "Everyone dies; that’s life. I don’t know if anyone told you but nobody makes it out alive." You've also said the only people impacted by your decision "is myself and the other un-vaccinated or the people who are immuno-compromised and are fucked as it is."
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09-16-2021, 09:39 AM #12583
I see two possibilities here: if it was purely a lie, Woodward's Trump recordings seem to indicate that the lie was traveling behind the scenes, too. Completely independent of blame, if Trump was saying "all you have to do is breathe the air" then whoever told him that should have known the importance of masks. They should have explained it to him, too, but he was probably fed the same "white lie" as everyone else--that would have been logical, because who would trust him to reliably help spread a lie? Even if you convince him to try, it's safer just to leave out the part about how to avoid breathing "the air." Backfired--kind of predictably.
On the other hand there was also legitimate ignorance at the CDC and all the other places where team aerosol had to fight to be heard (for months, following decades of entrenched doctrine), and it's quite possible that many of them really didn't think masks would help outside of flying spittle range. Those who didn't understand how aerosols work shouldn't be expected to know how well masks would work, or which ones would help or in what way they should be used. If we can't all get an N95 the solution is nuanced and required more knowledge than they had. Faced with a shortage, they threw up their hands because they didn't know any better. That's a horrifying failure born of mistrust both of the public and of those outside their own specialty. The fact that they didn't trust Americans in that moment forms the instinctive basis many people now have for not trusting "them."
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09-16-2021, 09:39 AM #12584
It's not true, nowhere near true. "Several" is not 99%.
And that sort of utterance only makes the dynamic worse and accentuates the ridiculous hyperbole.
If that's your objective, fine. You should be shut out.
If it's not your objective, man it up, recant it.
Being antivax (which means not getting the vaccine ) is childish. But that's a far cry from wishing all antivaxers dead.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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09-16-2021, 09:39 AM #12585Rod9301
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09-16-2021, 09:41 AM #12586
In the UK cases started to come down and then went back up after they opened everything up. Because they have such good data we know cases went up with school openings and packed football stadiums.
The key thing however, even though the UK Delta wave was massive, the deaths associated with the Delta wave were much much lower. The UK saw very few deaths compared with the Alpha wave—it's night and day.
It's not just the population percentage that matters, it's also who's getting vaccinated. In contrast with a lot of other countries like Denmark, the United States has a much higher percentage of older folks refusing vaccines.
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09-16-2021, 09:42 AM #12587Registered User
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09-16-2021, 09:42 AM #12588
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09-16-2021, 09:44 AM #12589Rod9301
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Florida and Texas have deaths per day higher or almost higher than any of the previous peaks.
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09-16-2021, 09:46 AM #12590
May I interrupt the bickering so deftly seasoned with reason and data to bring your this special thread:
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-K00ks-to-Yurp .
Give it a thought, maybe even do something positive.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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09-16-2021, 09:53 AM #12591A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."
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09-16-2021, 09:58 AM #12592
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09-16-2021, 10:01 AM #12593Banned
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Youre right. Several members, if not most I come across, are strongly in the, “if something happens to someone who is un-vaxx’d, well good riddance” camp until it’s someone they know. Then it’s, “they had their reasons, don’t be a douche” and I fail to understand the difference. Is it solely because they knew the person before the pandemic and know that their friend was a good person and this is just a slight flaw? Or is there something else there?
im not anti-vax. I never have been. I had Covid, got basic flu-like symptoms and have anti-bodies. I don’t see a need for a vaccine when my anti-bodies are still there and working just as well as someone who got a shot. That’s been my stance from the beginning and Im constantly put into the “misinformation/trumpet/anti-Vaxxer” status as deemed by the “borg”
But you’re right. “Literally everyone” and “99%” and other hyperbole isn’t my intent, but it’s not far off when you look at this thread.
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09-16-2021, 10:04 AM #12594
Both scenarios were a factor. There was constant ongoing infighting between the camps wanting to fight the pandemic politically vs scientifically.
And I don't think there's any question our regulatory state failed us in so many ways. But what doesn't get enough attention is how much of that is driven by our culture. We know resilience and flexibility works. The fact that people are saying they don't trust vaccines because the government was wrong about masks back in March 2000 says a lot about who we are.
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09-16-2021, 10:06 AM #12595
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09-16-2021, 10:08 AM #12596
Then perhaps they should have just said that instead of literally telling us that masks were unnecessary. Not a good look when they admit to having lied to us, no matter the motives.
Look throughout US history about the many, many lies the government has made. From the Tuskegee Syphilis Study to WMDs in Iraq. And then when they literally TELL us they "had" to lie to save PPE, you guys wonder how the public trust has been eroded over time? I'm NOT saying they're wrong on vaccinations et al, but with people being more aware of the government's past shenanigans than ever before, you can't blame people for having reservations. That's all.
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09-16-2021, 10:10 AM #12597
You are misrepresenting what's happening and you are misinterpreting the situation. People are frustrated with the unvaxxed because they are prolonging the pandemic. To you, a person who keeps denying that fact, it comes across as "good riddance" but what's really happening is people are fed up with all the anti-vax nonsense. A minority are expressing it in ways they don't really mean. Nobody wants to see hospitals filled to capacity with dying Covid patients.
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09-16-2021, 10:11 AM #12598
Do you say or think "good riddance" when a dangerous felon gets killed or badly injured while trying to commit a violent crime that puts others at risk? It's the same thing. Thugs being thugs.. Unmasked antivaxxers are putting the entire community at risk, children and high risk adults where vaccine isn't available or as effective are at risk of severe illness or death simply because someone around them decided their freedumb was more important than public health and safety.
And then when they do end up in the hospital thanks to their own stupidity or indifference they take valuable ICU space and EMS resources that might not be available when another citizen who did take all the precautions available to them needs them.. accident victims, severe allergy, heat attack etc.. who probably survive die when those resources are taken up by stupidity. Yes, good riddance..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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09-16-2021, 10:12 AM #12599Hucked to flat once
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Your post came up today in response to me saying someone I know who is vaxx'd can't get a bed because the ICUs are full and turned that into what you wrote above. I did mention her family is unvaxx'd and changing their minds. I take back what I said. You're not only an asshole, you have a problem with details too.
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09-16-2021, 10:14 AM #12600
Definitely. Locally I see a reservoir of covidiots whose real issue started when they staked their claim on the plandemic hill back when masks were the issue and now they're going to die on it. The issue is simple psychology: they're entrenched now and they're not letting go. Ironically, the vast majority of them are alleged Christians who couldn't be bothered to check in with their religious beliefs (how's Leviticus for a test/mask/isolate mandate?) because that would have meant breaking with their political hero. So the cognitive dissonance must just be deafening.
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