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11-12-2021, 04:43 PM #16701Registered User
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...tion-1.6246167
some one who actulay did have a reaction which is a 1 in 100000 chance got vaxed with 5 smaller injectionsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-12-2021, 05:11 PM #16702Registered User
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No, everyone pointed out its still possible to get covid after being vaxed but you would be less likely to get really sick or die which is exactly what happened
you appear to be complaining because you got covid so we are sayin the vax worked as advertised be happy you didnt die or get real sick
I can't understand why you can't understand this ?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-12-2021, 05:14 PM #16703
don't think CBC did the math right , "Of the 22,231 individual reports (0.038% of all doses administered), 5,653 were considered serious (0.010% of all doses administered)." https://health-infobase.canada.ca/co...wV_KhU2Rl8NizA
0.01% is 1 in 10,000 which is very good
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11-12-2021, 05:56 PM #16704
The goal of vaccination is to prevent severe disease and death and to prevent transmission. Covid vaccination has not accomplished the second goal because of the rushed vaccine schedule (which was appropriate given the circumstances) and because of inadequate numbers of people vaccinated.
Here's what the CDC says about polio vaccine effectiveness: "Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.
A person is considered to be fully vaccinated if he or she has received:
four doses of any combination of IPV and tOPV, or
a primary series of at least three doses of IPV or trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (tOPV)
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The last dose in either series should be given after 4 years of age and at least 6 months after the previous dose.
Duration of Protection
It is not known how long people who received IPV will be immune to poliovirus, but they are most likely protected for many"
Obviously polio and covid are different viruses, especially with regards to mutability, but note that with polio, full vaccination takes 4 years and 4 doses. Also, the reason polio is no longer transmitted in the US is twofold--it's a very effective vaccine AND nearly everyone is fully vaccinated meaning the chance of encountering someone with the virus is very close to zero. I would expect that if we can get the percent fully vaccinated--which may take 4-5 doses over years community transmission will be extremely low (unless a resistant strain develops). And that's with the current vaccine--there are still the options of a delta specific vaccine and a nasal vaccine.
Can you imagine what would happen today if there were a repeat of the Cutter incident--people paralyzed with polio from a bad batch of vaccine? What would happen if people died from a bad batch of Covid vaccine? (Yes, I know the chance is much less.) Vaccination would be shut down for a long time, possibly permanently, even if the cause was a manufacturing error and not an inherent property of the vaccine.
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11-12-2021, 06:01 PM #16705
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11-12-2021, 06:04 PM #16706
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11-12-2021, 06:28 PM #16707Banned
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I mean everyone dies from covid right?
Pretty sure if you scroll back to the very start youll see the most likely to get sick and die are still old people and immune compromised. Funny how that all "circles back"
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11-12-2021, 06:33 PM #16708
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11-12-2021, 06:43 PM #16709
Thanks for that. Conversely, the second and third paragraphs seem like good stuff for people looking to cover new ground (or get more specific, at least): 3.5x higher chance of transmission from unvaxed vs. vaxed, for example, and lower odds of harboring an asymptomatic infection for the vaccinated. Both huge justifications for requiring vaccination to slow spread.
Thanks mofro!
My layman's imagination thinks it makes sense that asymptomatic infection would be less likely when the immune system is specifically ready to target the outside of the virus, since the immune response itself would be quicker/more likely (thus symptoms) as well as resulting in a lower viral load. Which might be distinct from a broader response (like convalescents) which might not flare up as suddenly if it also targets inner pieces of the virus...does that make any sense?
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11-12-2021, 07:03 PM #16710
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11-12-2021, 07:40 PM #16711Banned
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Not a financial advisor #diamondhands
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11-12-2021, 07:47 PM #16712
The most likely to get sick and die are the unvaccinated, break it into age groups and it’s still true.
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11-12-2021, 08:11 PM #16713
The mostly likely people to die today are the old and the infirm.
If this is news to you your brain is as sharp as a marble.
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11-12-2021, 08:19 PM #16714
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11-12-2021, 08:31 PM #16715Registered User
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https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-covid-19-m...ines-1.5652078
49 % of the people who died were unvaxed and younger, so while death is a pretty good indicator of who lost big time don't forget there are people who will be forever fucked up from covid, the long haulers who are still fucked up 18 monsth later are not in that figureLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-12-2021, 08:53 PM #16716Registered User
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https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1973397571546
Surgery delays because of anti vaxxers clogging up Canadian hosptiols have Canadians heading south to use YOUR hospitolsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-12-2021, 08:54 PM #16717
guys...
If we go back a month, he was genuinely interested in perspective on childhood vaccination - and then
they experienced Breakthrough infections he expected his highly vaccinated community was immune to.
I am not sure that he expected lifetime immunity, and there are certainly posts that indicated he expected 'sterilizing immunity' ( someone fully vaccinated could not transmit the virus / the disease ) .
the Breakthrough infections changed the trajectory - Remember Styx ?
dissatisfied with Breakthrough infections, and the responses to his posts, he has become the current cynic -
sterilizing immunity and lifetime immunity - I hope your kids see that !
please Remember the post ( not his ) that said in today's politicized social climate, we could not have (nearly) eradicated polio.
Good luck. let's get boosters to sixty-five percent of those eligible by December eleventh ! !!!
Thank you. tj
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not only boosters to vaccination - if you believe you had covid more than four months ago, Please, get vaccinated - even a single dose --
remember the apparently healthy 28year old in utah, who died of his second case of covid requiring hospitalization in two years ?
. . . I wish he had gotten vaccinated....Last edited by skiJ; 11-12-2021 at 10:13 PM.
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11-12-2021, 09:19 PM #16718Registered User
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11-12-2021, 09:56 PM #16719Registered User
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I knew what I was getting into. Longtime lurker. I do get a little kick out of shaking the hive. But I don’t have too much time on my hands anymore. Things I’ve learned skij seems like a genuinely nice person. Carl mega seems like a douche, if I was a roofer he would be pulling out roofing nails out of his tires for years to come. Poor skidog really likes tgr, his ban was pretty weak. Wasting time, staring out your phone to argue with idiots is not healthy or productive. Covid sucks, everyones probably going to get it. Boosters make your dick bigger. Chances of a breakthrough infection are 1 and a million unless you live in maine😉 Peace bitches it’s almost ski season.
Hasta la vista, hopefully not tomorrow
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11-12-2021, 10:47 PM #16720
Quoted for idiocy and posterity. Laps. Kook.
What we have here is an intelligence failure. You may be familiar with staring directly at that when shaving. .
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11-12-2021, 11:07 PM #16721
Fun palast in Vienna offers 30 min of sexy time if you get a jab.
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11-12-2021, 11:10 PM #16722Banned
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#spinithowyouchoose
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11-12-2021, 11:37 PM #16723Banned
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There totally has not been one vaccinated person who infected another vaccinated person who subsequently died. It just hasn't happened. The "vaccine" totally works. I mean the CDC didnt change the definition of vaccine on their website at all.
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11-12-2021, 11:49 PM #16724
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11-13-2021, 12:01 AM #16725
I was thinking like 5 or 6 visits.
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