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  1. #3651
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    Looks like J&J is off the table for a bit due to blood clots. I got my one and done Sunday with only minor side effects. Question for those that use birth control, how do these vaccines compare to birth control for rates of blood clots?

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    Current numbers from the EMA;

    $AZN 169 CVST cases + 53 of splanchnic vein thrombosis; 34m vaccinated
    $BNTX $PFE 35 CVST cases, 54m vaccinated
    $MRNA 5 CVST cases, 4m vaccinated
    $JNJ 6 CVST cases, 6.8m vaccinated

    Very rare events. God forbid you get CVST, 92% recover with no long term effects.

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    This guy gets it .... I'm worried.

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  4. #3654
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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Pfizer #1 yesterday afternoon— no residual effects felt yet

    The 16yo’s appt got canceled on us so the search starts up again to get him a spot
    [first eligibility ques is DOB...and they call saying it’s Moderna a week after he made the appt; so, no dice...ugh]

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    Quote Originally Posted by geomorph View Post
    Looks like J&J is off the table for a bit due to blood clots. I got my one and done Sunday with only minor side effects. Question for those that use birth control, how do these vaccines compare to birth control for rates of blood clots?
    There have been six cases in 6 million doses administered. This type of blood clot occurs in six people per million annually who have not received a vaccine. BTW seriously ill Covid patients often develop blood clots.

    The six cases appear to have been in women with low platelets.

  6. #3656
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    Quote Originally Posted by ::: ::: View Post
    Pfizer #1 yesterday afternoon— no residual effects felt yet

    The 16yo’s appt got canceled on us so the search starts up again to get him a spot
    [first eligibility ques is DOB...and they call saying it’s Moderna a week after he made the appt; so, no dice...ugh]
    X2. Pfizer1 yesterday. Shoulder a bit sore, but that’s it so far...

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    Mrs ::: ::: reports a solid headache this morning from P1

  8. #3658
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    24 hours out from my first Pfizer shot and my arm is still sore and I had a weird dream last night. I feel fine otherwise.

  9. #3659
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    Mrs. Seano gets Pfizer #2 tomorrow out on the Rez.......They have more doses than appointments, apparently.....
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    Symptoms after 1st shot improved.

    I wonder if I reacted the way I did because I still have antibodies.
    Co-worker’s girlfriend who had COVID twice reacted the same as I did from the 1st shot but her 2nd was uneventful.

    Guess I’m going to find out on May 2nd.

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    Pitkin County is closing down their large vaccine site due to lack of interest and cancelled appointments. This appears to be primarily driven by the availability of the J&J shot. Wife and I went last week when they had it and the site was packed.

    I am sure some of it relates to the lower off-season population and the number of people already vaccinated...but there is obvious preference for the J&J and halting production/supply is going to have a very real result of less people getting the vaccine.


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  12. #3662
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    I went to work after the second shot and was doing some heavy lifting and strained a muscle in my back. It is still jacked up. So don’t do that. I wonder if the fever that night made it worse or something. Maybe I’m just old. Fack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Current numbers from the EMA;

    $AZN 169 CVST cases + 53 of splanchnic vein thrombosis; 34m vaccinated
    $BNTX $PFE 35 CVST cases, 54m vaccinated
    $MRNA 5 CVST cases, 4m vaccinated
    $JNJ 6 CVST cases, 6.8m vaccinated

    Very rare events. God forbid you get CVST, 92% recover with no long term effects.
    For those of us that can't seem to understand context with the numbers from the EMA here, issues are exceptionally rare in the context of the large numbers of vaccinations:

    AZ - 0.0006529% chance of incident
    BionTech - 0.0000648% chance of incident
    Moderna - 0.000125% chance of incident (and Moderna has a much better record in the US with a much larger testing pool)
    JNJ - 0.000088235% chance of incident

    Chance of DEATH as a U.S. citizen from COVID - 0.166% (550,000 dead/331,000,000 population)
    I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.

  14. #3664
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    The J&J pause is frustrating. Anyone have any idea how long we should expect this pause could last, assuming the incidence of clots is, in fact, very low as the current data would seem to indicate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    The J&J pause is frustrating. Anyone have any idea how long we should expect this pause could last, assuming the incidence of clots is, in fact, very low as the current data would seem to indicate?
    Wasn't the pause the the EU about a week for the AZ concerns? J&J has just had a string of issues in the press and may just need a news cycle to step out of the spotlight.
    I've concluded that DJSapp was never DJSapp, and Not DJSapp is also not DJSapp, so that means he's telling the truth now and he was lying before.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    For those of us that can't seem to understand context with the numbers from the EMA here, issues are exceptionally rare in the context of the large numbers of vaccinations:

    AZ - 0.0006529% chance of incident
    BionTech - 0.0000648% chance of incident
    Moderna - 0.000125% chance of incident (and Moderna has a much better record in the US with a much larger testing pool)
    JNJ - 0.000088235% chance of incident

    Chance of DEATH as a U.S. citizen from COVID - 0.166% (550,000 dead/331,000,000 population)
    And the incidents are most likely not fatal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJSapp View Post
    Wasn't the pause the the EU about a week for the AZ concerns? J&J has just had a string of issues in the press and may just need a news cycle to step out of the spotlight.
    I think you're right. It's interesting because I saw many people asking where to get the J&J vaccine, probably because they like the idea of the single dose. After this I suspect the demand for it will be affected somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I think you're right. It's interesting because I saw many people asking where to get the J&J vaccine, probably because they like the idea of the single dose. After this I suspect the demand for it will be affected somewhat.
    I just read that the pause will be for days, not weeks......
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    Pfizer #2 yesterday. still waiting for side-effects. maybe something is wrong with me or i got a fake vax/placebo. shit i'm paranoid.
    now a complete tool

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    I got an email an hour ago that ACIP meets tomorrow about J&J. Hopefully they will be sensible about this.
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    Pfizer 2 yesterday.

    Headache, nausea, threw up last night.

    OK today but tired


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  22. #3672
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    PFE #2 yesterday afternoon. Only side effects were both shoulder joints were pretty achy last night and this morning, waking me up several times. Couple of Tylenols and they're better but still a bit achy. No fever but feeling a little fatigued, probably lack of uninterrupted sleep. Worked out last night, no issues but just a light workout on the treadmill (God I hate that thing...). I think I should be fully good to go after today.

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    So all of the vaccines have a rare risk of blood clots in the brain.
    From huckbucket's numbers--very roughly 1 in a million. Except AZ which is very roughly 10 times higher.
    And one has to assume that the numbers underestimate the true incidence of the mild cases that go undiagnosed.
    According to Johns Hopkins, 5 people per million get the blood clots every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    So all of the vaccines have a rare risk of blood clots in the brain.
    From huckbucket's numbers--very roughly 1 in a million. Except AZ which is very roughly 10 times higher.
    And one has to assume that the numbers underestimate the true incidence of the mild cases that go undiagnosed.
    According to Johns Hopkins, 5 people per million get the blood clots every year.
    Wouldn't you expect basically the same rate (or proportionally similar anyway) of mild/undiagnosed among the general population?

    In which case, if the time frame under study is around 2 months then there's no increase in clot risk with any vaccine except AZ. Which is still minimal.

    ETA: maybe Americans need the "pause" to believe we're being too careful?

  25. #3675
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    I was reading an article earlier that in order to get more people vaccinated, the time between doses of Pfizer and Moderna could be longer. As long as you have 1 shot you are protected and can get the 2nd later.

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