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    Quote Originally Posted by abraham View Post
    Don't you dare trample my freedoms. Don't live in fear of the family sized bucket of kfc. How dare you tax my big gulp to encourage a change in my consumption habits.
    Not to discount all the people who die from obesity and diet related diseases, but double bacon cheeseburgers are damn tasty and it's my right to eat them whenever I want.
    Heh.

    I *guarantee* MontuckyFriedChicken would fight tooth and nail any use of taxation to address the obesity issue. Even though it's *likely* to be an excellent way to modify the behavior that leads to it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    And thus the reason for America getting hit particularly hard. We are the world's sickest, fattest, most Rx pill-popping country. Seems relatively few want to actually talk about that though. What did we do over the last year, though? We doubled down on those stereotypes. We shut down the gyms. We told people to stay home. We reinforced our habits of binging TV even further, buying everything on Amazon so we don't have to peel our lazy asses off the couch, so on and so forth.

    Saw a morbidly obese lady in her little scooter at the grocery store in the ice cream aisle totally stocking up. Cart was packed with junk food and all manner of frozen treats. But hey! At least she was wearing a mask, so all good, right? Sadly, we haven't been successful in getting the message out there that if you REALLY want to improve your odds of surviving this thing, then get your health under control. We're focusing SO hard on masks/social distancing/vaccines that we're utterly missing the forest of nutrition/exercise/wellness through the COVID trees.

    I know this is a generally fit crowd here so am preaching to the choir on this one. It's just been increasingly frustrating to see our society completely missing a great opportunity for positive transformation on this one. I too share your skepticism, but I wish we at least TRIED.

    Many here look at how well Japan and others are doing in regard to COVID and say it's contact tracing, masking, etc., but seem to mention NOTHING about how they're not a country of lard asses and they eat really goddamn well. I've spent so much time over there (and around the world), I ended up picking up many good habits along the way. Our country could learn a thing or two from other countries about nutrition before placing so much blame simply on poor mask usage as many tend to do around here.
    You're making a convincing argument for Socialism. People don't spend money on prevention as that requires action that may or may not ever pay off, they wait for the cure when they are desperate and will pay anything to get better.

    This shouldn't be hard to understand: The best odds of surviving the virus involve not getting the virus to begin with.

    Things like social distancing, masking up, and hygeine are all tools to prevent transmission- transfer of virus from person to person. They help make sure you don't pass it on to your mom, grandma, coworker. Adherence here requires a level of comittment most have been unable to achieve- 95% mask compliance needed (70-80% comliance only leads to 20-30% reduction in spread), avoidance of congregating indoors or anywhere with poor air circulation, lockdowns for 6-8 weeks not 2, total lockdowns and not the bullshit 40% of workers being considered essential and exempt. Every one of these efforts has been half-assed, often due to active surbversion by our elected officials. No transmission = no disease, no disease = no deaths from disease.

    Nutrition, exercise, and wellness are all measures that benefit the individual, which may decrease severity of symptoms, but do not prevent illness or disease transmission from occurring. My kid picked up a gym membership to continue working out when the MSU gym closed in April. It took several months, but sure enough he caught COVID-19 from going to the gym in October. Young, healthy, and white, his symptoms were mild. Did he pass it on to anyone before he noticed the sore throat and mild fever? Probably not but there is too much virus now to actually know for sure. You can also be in excellent health and fitness but because you don't get to pick the amount of exposure to the virus or where it may end up along your airways if you inhale it, that getting very sick is and has happened to many with proper nutrition, exercise, and wellness.

    We want a low death rate, and a low infection rate remains the best way to address it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thedude2340 View Post
    Post your BMI
    Just as a point of argument, BMI is a really poor measure as it doesn't really take into account other attributes of fitness, namely muscle mass. I would suspect many here would have marginally obese or overweight BMI whereas a better measure, in my view, is waist to height ratio. I'm considered overweight with a 25.8 BMI but W/H is .45, a healthy ratio. I carry a lot of weight in my legs, likely due to genetics (Dad had big legs), skiing, hiking, and mountain biking. Outside of that, carry on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    You're making a convincing argument for Socialism. People don't spend money on prevention as that requires action that may or may not ever pay off, they wait for the cure when they are desperate and will pay anything to get better.

    This shouldn't be hard to understand: The best odds of surviving the virus involve not getting the virus to begin with.

    Things like social distancing, masking up, and hygeine are all tools to prevent transmission- transfer of virus from person to person. They help make sure you don't pass it on to your mom, grandma, coworker. Adherence here requires a level of comittment most have been unable to achieve- 95% mask compliance needed (70-80% comliance only leads to 20-30% reduction in spread), avoidance of congregating indoors or anywhere with poor air circulation, lockdowns for 6-8 weeks not 2, total lockdowns and not the bullshit 40% of workers being considered essential and exempt. Every one of these efforts has been half-assed, often due to active surbversion by our elected officials. No transmission = no disease, no disease = no deaths from disease.

    Nutrition, exercise, and wellness are all measures that benefit the individual, which may decrease severity of symptoms, but do not prevent illness or disease transmission from occurring. My kid picked up a gym membership to continue working out when the MSU gym closed in April. It took several months, but sure enough he caught COVID-19 from going to the gym in October. Young, healthy, and white, his symptoms were mild. Did he pass it on to anyone before he noticed the sore throat and mild fever? Probably not but there is too much virus now to actually know for sure. You can also be in excellent health and fitness but because you don't get to pick the amount of exposure to the virus or where it may end up along your airways if you inhale it, that getting very sick is and has happened to many with proper nutrition, exercise, and wellness.

    We want a low death rate, and a low infection rate remains the best way to address it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    Just as a point of argument, BMI is a really poor measure as it doesn't really take into account other attributes of fitness, namely muscle mass. I would suspect many here would have marginally obese or overweight BMI whereas a better measure, in my view, is waist to height ratio. I'm considered overweight with a 25.8 BMI but W/H is .45, a healthy ratio. I carry a lot of weight in my legs, likely due to genetics (Dad had big legs), skiing, hiking, and mountain biking. Outside of that, carry on...
    Understood, post was a poor attempt at humor from the shit talk in the US is burning thread.

    Carry on

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    Friend on patrol, early 40's, very fit, contracted COVID over the holidays. Had a bad case of it, respiratory issues, fatigue, muscle cramps, etc. He still has no sense of smell/taste, and has extreme tremors all over his body. His hands, arms, face, neck, legs, all twitch uncontrollably.
    In order to properly convert this thread to a polyasshat thread to more fully enrage the liberal left frequenting here...... (insert latest democratic blunder of your choice).

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    Wasn't the Peloton and Zumba crazes enough to make a solid dent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Wasn't the Peloton and Zumba crazes enough to make a solid dent?
    Apparently fucking not.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Nutrition, exercise, and wellness are all measures that benefit the individual, which may decrease severity of symptoms, but do not prevent illness or disease transmission from occurring.
    I think this is something a lot of people don't understand. They think by being young and healthy they somehow have an immunity to viruses. I hear the same thing from people who don't want to get flu shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Heh.

    I *guarantee* MontuckyFriedChicken would fight tooth and nail any use of taxation to address the obesity issue. Even though it's *likely* to be an excellent way to modify the behavior that leads to it...
    And would fight any regulations that would prohibit certain TV advertising, mandate nutritional standards, end certain subsidies, limit food stamps to nutritional food purchases (and mandate cities to maintain a certain density of stores with healthy food options to prevent nutritional deserts), etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    And would fight any regulations that would prohibit certain TV advertising, mandate nutritional standards, end certain subsidies, limit food stamps to nutritional food purchases (and mandate cities to maintain a certain density of stores with healthy food options to prevent nutritional deserts), etc.
    SOCIALISM!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    Just as a point of argument, BMI is a really poor measure as it doesn't really take into account other attributes of fitness, namely muscle mass. I would suspect many here would have marginally obese or overweight BMI whereas a better measure, in my view, is waist to height ratio. I'm considered overweight with a 25.8 BMI but W/H is .45, a healthy ratio. I carry a lot of weight in my legs, likely due to genetics (Dad had big legs), skiing, hiking, and mountain biking. Outside of that, carry on...
    the last person who told me the BMI didnt work for him was about 100lbs overweight, but i think the BMI is a quick and dirty way for the doc to tell if you should lose 10lbs

    at a medical convention an anesthetist told me in Alberta at that time they got more $$$ for operating on obese people, so punch the height/weight into the calculator and at a certain figure its " yeehaw we got a bimmer ! "
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    Doom and gloom because thats what it is, hard to put the positive spin on 400,000 dead other than telling people it will dissappear when the weather gets warm

    And better diet and exercise would have done fuck all for Covid in America in only 1 year while a unifyed plan, getting people to mask & distance would have saved some of those dead
    Besides which--when people do show up at trailheads to try to get healthier by getting some exercise all the locals start to bitch. And we can't have that.

    Having learned what little I know about immunology in the early 70's, the speed and degree to which the immunology of SARS-CoV-2 and its mutations is being worked out is staggering to me. Unfortunately the virus is faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HankScorpio View Post
    Staff at our school who are working face to face with kids starting get vaccinated with the Moderna shots. Kind of unexpected considering the Gov has said nothing about teachers getting inoculated. I'm guessing the hospital has extras they need to use.
    Vaccinations start this Saturday for older staff members...and will continue into next week for the rest of us “younger” guys. (we have been face to face since September...with only a virtual week before/after Xmas.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakersTeleMark View Post
    Wasn't the Peloton and Zumba crazes enough to make a solid dent?
    Everybody has had a year to relapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedude2340 View Post
    Understood, post was a poor attempt at humor from the shit talk in the US is burning thread.

    Carry on
    I got it, though! Hi5!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedude2340 View Post
    Understood, post was a poor attempt at humor from the shit talk in the US is burning thread.

    Carry on
    Ah, I missed the shit talk there. Kudos to Ice as he got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    the last person who told me the BMI didnt work for him was about 100lbs overweight, but i think the BMI is a quick and dirty way for the doc to tell if you should lose 10lbs
    Yeah, also a way for life insurers to justify charging a higher premium for someone overweight... It's a bullshit measurement. If someone's 100 lbs overweight, you don't need BMI, you just need eyes to recognize it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    Getting people to exercise and lose weight and eat better is a great idea.

    Telling them to fill up the local gym doing workouts during a pandemic is a stupid fucking idea.

    The world is a complicated place. If a person can’t figure out how to exercise and lose weight and be healthier while also maintaining physical distance from others and avoiding crowded indoor public spaces they are a moron.
    And that person also has children at home full time with new emotional/mental health volatility, and their children need additional school instruction during that person’s typical work day, and that person has their own new challenges related to maintaining their jobs and staying effective at their job, and that person has their own new emotional/mental health volatility. It’s not as simple as you make it to be, IME and in my observations.

    And no, I did not read Austin’s post....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    And that person also has children at home full time with new emotional/mental health volatility, and their children need additional school instruction during that person’s typical work day, and that person has their own new challenges related to maintaining their jobs and staying effective at their job, and that person has their own new emotional/mental health volatility. It’s not as simple as you make it to be, IME and in my observations.

    And no, I did not read Austin’s post....
    I get that. I truly do. I actually do it for a living.

    My words were overly simplistic only because I was responding to the post that was saying we don’t need rules we just shoulda kept gyms opened and focused our efforts on healthy lifestyle education and the pandemic wouldn’t have been such a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
    I get that. I truly do. I actually do it for a living.

    My words were overly simplistic only because I was responding to the post that was saying we don’t need rules we just shoulda kept gyms opened and focused our efforts on healthy lifestyle education and the pandemic wouldn’t have been such a big deal.
    Makes sense. Oddly, the gym that I went to until March has ignored the recent closure requirements by the county and state (California), and apparently indoor mask “requirements” were more like recommendations. Lame!

    A friend in Tallahassee has been following good guidance for he and his family to avoid catching it. Testing is very available there and they get tested whenever they are aware of being exposed or feel off (eg allergies). The wife/mom is a HCW at a few hospitals (she’s been vaxed). The first “friend” of his to get sick was a gym partner. She exposed everybody at the gym. To keep he and his family safe, they went to distance learning for the school aged kid, pulled the younger from day care, and totally changed their life routine. The wife has no job flexibility, but he reduced his weekly working hours down and basically works 7 days a week for a handful of hours in order to make it all work out. They’ve known a lot of people that have gotten sick and have friends/family that have attended superspreader events (eg wedding) that resulted in large mortality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Well doy. It's a type of coronavirus, as is the common cold. It was bound to mutate at warp speed. It's precisely why we can't get too cocky about a vaccine, although I'm sure due to the mRNA nature it'll be more beneficial than not. However, it's ALSO why the entire world has just gotta suck it up at some point and get on about our business. As this thing continues to mutate, the vaccine makers will be playing whack-a-mole like they do with the flu shot, until it splits into so many strains like the cold that it's pretty much impossible to deal with all but the most common variants.
    I like how you confidently state these opinions with such certainty you are right, even though the people who’ve spent a lifetime researching this adamantly disagree with you. #modernconservatives

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Well doy. It's a type of coronavirus, as is the common cold. It was bound to mutate at warp speed. It's precisely why we can't get too cocky about a vaccine, although I'm sure due to the mRNA nature it'll be more beneficial than not. However, it's ALSO why the entire world has just gotta suck it up at some point and get on about our business. As this thing continues to mutate, the vaccine makers will be playing whack-a-mole like they do with the flu shot, until it splits into so many strains like the cold that it's pretty much impossible to deal with all but the most common variants.
    Is this you’re scientific opinion?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Is this your scientific opinion?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
    Yeah, also a way for life insurers to justify charging a higher premium for someone overweight... It's a bullshit measurement. If someone's 100 lbs overweight, you don't need BMI, you just need eyes to recognize it.
    Yes, we all know what fat looks like.


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