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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumb0ldDad View Post

    This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

    I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.
    At least he's not feigning an argument and has gotten down to his essential message when he recognizes another of his failures at debate. The only hope for Democracy lies in faith in the intelligence of the masses.

    Now, how about freshening up some data regarding omicron vax resistance, communicability and severity?
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    I demaned right lights to be banned. It is a against my freedom to drive the way i want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumb0ldDad View Post
    Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

    This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

    I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.
    At least now you’re being clear instead of fake.

    Maybe check the number of people that are for covid vaccine mandates (just like mandates that have existed for other infectious diseases) - I’ll give you a hint - it’s not a “relatively small group”

    You’ve been participating in a society that has had vaccine mandates all along.

    Bottom line: you have the right to your opinion. You have the right to not get the covid vaccine.

    You don’t have the right to have your opinion and choices respected or coddled or worked around. Let that one sink in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Get ready for measles, polio, etc make big comebacks in the USA. There are plenty of folks ready to make that the next battle. (State Senator Richard Pan who sponsored the no-exceptions school vaccine law in CA has been physically assaulted and repeatedly harassed, and that was before MAGA and Covid.)
    And that's not MAGA truck driving gun shooting bubbas and bubbetes, that's well off and educated suburban Moms and compliant Dads with wealthy and powerful celebrities supporting them, like Robert Kennedy's son.

    The world is perfect. Appreciate the details.

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    you would have flown out of the windshield 60 years ago. #vibes.
    They got a name for the winners in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumb0ldDad View Post
    Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

    This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

    I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.
    preserved.

    several others ^^^ have addressed this well.

    good luck.
    Please get vaccinated. tj

    ( I believe we are a week or three (weeks) from beginning to have data on vaccination effectivess for omicron )

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    A friend of mine and his family who live in town, and who I have invited to my house for X-mas dinner, will be traveling from SLC to NY on Dec. 18, then to Toronto on Dec. 20, then back to SLC on 12/24. I think that I may cancel. OTOH, they will all need to pass a COVID test w/in 24hrs. of returning to the USA, and my son works at a very busy local bar 5 days/wk, and he will be dining with us.

    Other notes:
    1) I will return to last year's protocol and wear a mask when skiing;
    2) On Wednesday, my sister's in-laws, who live in Germany and are in their late '80s, finally received their first vax. On Friday, both were diagnosed with COVID. My bro-in-law's bro., who is an anti-vaxxer, is blaming the vax for the diagnosis. They are doing very poorly and they can't receive hospital treatment because of overcrowding. +++VIBES+++
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    China Calls on ‘Little Inoculated Warriors’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/b...smid=url-share

    China has embarked on an ambitious campaign that it says will give the country better protection against Covid-19: full inoculation of 160 million of its youngest citizens by the end of the year.

    In the first two weeks of the effort, which began in late October, 84 million boys and girls between the ages of 3 and 11, about half of the eligible population, received the first of two shots.

    By contrast, in the United States, 2.6 million children between ages 5 and 11, or about 10 percent of the eligible population, received one dose over roughly the same time period.

    The campaign faces significant obstacles, including parental reluctance in a country with a checkered history of safety on children’s vaccines. The government insists that child inoculations are voluntary, but parents have described coming under pressure to get their children vaccinated.

    Though Chinese vaccines are generally considered safe, the country also has a history of administering spoiled shots and guarding any information about negative incidents.

    China is the world’s last zero-Covid holdout, and officials have shown no willingness to change course. Cities of millions of people continue to be locked down during minor outbreaks; tourist sites like Shanghai Disneyland have been shut down to carry out on-the-spot testing. People who lie about infections, hide symptoms or try to escape quarantine do so under threat of prison.

    The ruling Communist Party has pointed to the country’s low Covid-19 numbers — fewer than 5,000 people have died — as evidence that China’s authoritarian model is superior to the rest of the world, even as its borders remain closed and ordinary citizens find their personal freedom severely restricted during outbreaks.

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    I'll bet you have a point to make. What is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post

    Other notes:
    1) I will return to last year's protocol and wear a mask when skiing;
    Went skiing yesterday in North KaKalaKi. Outdoors NOBODY wore masks except 2-3 instructors who were working with little kids too houng to be vaxxed. Indoors myself and maybe a handful of others wore masks. 80% of the staff indoors NOT wearing any masks. If I wasn't triple vaxxed I would have turned around and left without even a single run.
    But, I was mostly comfortable outdoors unmasked, slight breeze. Last year pre vax I left the same place after an hour when it got crowed and a few people were NOT covering up outdoors.

    Thankfully vaccines have me much better protected. I still wish the rest of the folks indoors would have covered up. Some of us go home to immune compromised and/or children too young to be vaxxed.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Another disingenuous talking point is the ‘well we are totally reasonable folks who would just like to see effective treatments developed rather than a focus on vaccines’. This particular piece of stupidity requires one to actively ignore that medical research pretty much always looks at prevention vs treatment options, and generally science rejoices when preventative or mitigation measures can be found (eg vaccines) since they are typically so much cheaper and/or more feasible to administer across populations and regional economies incl developing world.
    Fuck seatbelts! I want titanium bones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Went skiing yesterday in North KaKalaKi. Outdoors NOBODY wore masks except 2-3 instructors who were working with little kids too houng to be vaxxed. Indoors myself and maybe a handful of others wore masks. 80% of the staff indoors NOT wearing any masks. If I wasn't triple vaxxed I would have turned around and left without even a single run.
    But, I was mostly comfortable outdoors unmasked, slight breeze. Last year pre vax I left the same place after an hour when it got crowed and a few people were NOT covering up outdoors.
    I'd say at this point that *any* expectation that folks wear masks outdoors is fairly unreasonable, unless the outdoor activity is PACKED with humans in very close proximity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I'd say at this point that *any* expectation that folks wear masks outdoors is fairly unreasonable, unless the outdoor activity is PACKED with humans in very close proximity.
    Like weekend lift lines, trams and gondolas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Fuck seatbelts! I want titanium bones.
    Demand your doctor give them to you! Contact your representatives in office if no one will perform the surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    His posts don't count
    FIFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    Fuck seatbelts! I want titanium bones.
    Who needs a seatbelt? We have medical procedures for people who crash. Ever heard of traction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    FIFY
    Yeah, that's what I was getting at, thanks!
    A woman came up to me and said "I'd like to poison your mind
    with wrong ideas that appeal to you, though I am not unkind."

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    China Calls on ‘Little Inoculated Warriors’

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/b...smid=url-share

    China has embarked on an ambitious campaign that it says will give the country better protection against Covid-19: full inoculation of 160 million of its youngest citizens by the end of the year.

    In the first two weeks of the effort, which began in late October, 84 million boys and girls between the ages of 3 and 11, about half of the eligible population, received the first of two shots.

    By contrast, in the United States, 2.6 million children between ages 5 and 11, or about 10 percent of the eligible population, received one dose over roughly the same time period.

    The campaign faces significant obstacles, including parental reluctance in a country with a checkered history of safety on children’s vaccines. The government insists that child inoculations are voluntary, but parents have described coming under pressure to get their children vaccinated.

    Though Chinese vaccines are generally considered safe, the country also has a history of administering spoiled shots and guarding any information about negative incidents.

    China is the world’s last zero-Covid holdout, and officials have shown no willingness to change course. Cities of millions of people continue to be locked down during minor outbreaks; tourist sites like Shanghai Disneyland have been shut down to carry out on-the-spot testing. People who lie about infections, hide symptoms or try to escape quarantine do so under threat of prison.

    The ruling Communist Party has pointed to the country’s low Covid-19 numbers — fewer than 5,000 people have died — as evidence that China’s authoritarian model is superior to the rest of the world, even as its borders remain closed and ordinary citizens find their personal freedom severely restricted during outbreaks.
    This is exhibit A for all the dumbasses who think American vaccine hesitancy is not a geopolitical threat. D0D is at the front of the line today, but it's a long line.

    But he makes a good point: no one has the right to coerce another in order to make themselves feel safer. Goes the same for forcing or prohibiting either an action or inaction. A rational mind would then check in with the facts and find out who is hazarding whom. Irrational ones just say "my/his/her/every body, MY choice."

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    Quote Originally Posted by schindlerpiste View Post
    Like weekend lift lines, trams and gondolas?
    I would consider trams and gondolas enclosed - so yeah.

    Lift lines? *I* personally would not have the expectation that others would be masked in lift lines...

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    I don't know if this has been shared yet, but I found it interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I would consider trams and gondolas enclosed - so yeah.

    Lift lines? *I* personally would not have the expectation that others would be masked in lift lines...
    MIT and Alta collaborated on a study last year that concluded liftlines required masks to meet their safety threshold. That was in the days of low case rates and no vaccination. IIRC, they used a case rate of 5/100k/day. US is currently at 6 times that, and not everyone is vaccinated, so the situation is slightly worse this year than modeled in the study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    I'd say at this point that *any* expectation that folks wear masks outdoors is fairly unreasonable, unless the outdoor activity is PACKED with humans in very close proximity.
    Ya but 90% of people weren't wearing them INDOORS either.. rental shop lines and counters filling out forms. fitting boots, etc cough cough..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Ya but 90% of people weren't wearing them INDOORS either.. rental shop lines and counters filling out forms. fitting boots, etc cough cough..
    I ain't goin' indoors with a bunch of unmasked morans. I'll just piss in the woods, thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peruvian View Post
    I don't know if this has been shared yet, but I found it interesting.

    Here's the take away in case anyone didn't watch.

    "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    MIT and Alta collaborated on a study last year that concluded liftlines required masks to meet their safety threshold. That was in the days of low case rates and no vaccination. IIRC, they used a case rate of 5/100k/day. US is currently at 6 times that, and not everyone is vaccinated, so the situation is slightly worse this year than modeled in the study.
    I'm not sure how much I liked their modeling, and most skiers were wearing single layer cloth masks (buffs) anyway so almost useless.
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    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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