To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[TBS]

It was an executive order which only affects executive branch employees. The majority of federal government employees get an exemption under the latest executive order, including all of Congress + staff.

Funny that the last sentence gets pushed under the rug considering the significance.

Rules for thee, but not for me.

https://www.natlawreview.com/article...al-contractors
https://www.natlawreview.com/article...al-contractors

Please explain how “the majority of federal government employees get an exemption” when
- The exec branch has about 4.3 million employees and a huge number of defense contractors
- The legislative and judicial combined have about 70,000

[altasnob]

Update on Washington's state employee mandate (the strictest in the nation, with no testing alternative): As of Sept. 20, 68% of the nearly 63,000 workers subject to the mandate are fully vaccinated. That’s up from the 49% on Sept. 6. Oct 18 is the deadline to be fully vaccinated.

[The AD]

I didn’t follow this story. But they likely had additional rapid tests and also PCR confirmation tests done immediately after getting pulled off the show.

A positive rapid test on an asymptomatic person should prompt isolation of that person until a PCR test confirms they have covid. If an additional rapid test and a PCR test were done and they all came back negative it would suggest the initial rapid test was a false positive.

Smrter people in here can correct me if I got this wrong.

Somehow I thought Skidog said the initial positive was from a PCR test, but he didn't. Your analysis is probably correct if the first test was antigen.

[altasnob]

Fuaci is in favor of boosters for everyone. Says we have enough vaccine for US and rest of the world (not an either or choice). Says we should not be satisfied with keeping people out of the hospital but should use boosters to keep people from getting sick.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ealthy/620220/

[Adolf Allerbush]

Are you saying the majority of federal workers do not work for the executive branch?

I’m confused what your point is.

The only exemption is for reasons outlined by law.

I'm not seeing the exemptions for congress and their staff. It's an E.O. that includes any entities receiving federal funds. I don't see how that would limit it to the Executive Branch.

[old_newguy]

I'm not seeing the exemptions for congress and their staff. It's an E.O. that includes any entities receiving federal funds. I don't see how that would limit it to the Executive Branch.

It’s a separation of powers thing. The Legislative and Judicial branch can’t be told what to do by the executive. IE - the employees of those branches are not Biden’s employees to tell what to do, he doesn’t have the authority.

The order specifically applies to “executive branch employees”.

[Adolf Allerbush]

It’s a separation of powers thing. The Legislative and Judicial branch can’t be told what to do by the executive. IE - the employees of those branches are not Biden’s employees to tell what to do, he doesn’t have the authority.

The order specifically applies to “executive branch employees”.

Duh. thanks.

[old_newguy]

Duh. thanks.

👍

[The AD]

Update on Washington's state employee mandate (the strictest in the nation, with no testing alternative): As of Sept. 20, 68% of the nearly 63,000 workers subject to the mandate are fully vaccinated. That’s up from the 49% on Sept. 6. Oct 18 is the deadline to be fully vaccinated.

Definitely an improvement, but interesting that state employees still lag the overall state numbers (70% over 12 fully vaccinated and 77% of those between 18 and 64).

[altasnob]

You can blame prison workers in Walla Walla and their abysmal 39% vaccination rate.

[Mofro261]

Half of unvaccinated workers say they’d rather quit than get a shot – but real-world data suggest few are following through

https://theconversation.com/half-of-...through-168447

Quieter actions
But while it is easy and cost-free to tell a pollster you’ll quit your job, actually doing so when it means losing a paycheck you and your family may depend upon is another matter.


And based on a sample of companies that already have vaccine mandates in place, the actual number who do resign rather than get the vaccine is much smaller than the survey data suggest.


Houston Methodist Hospital, for example, required its 25,000 workers to get a vaccine by June 7. Before the mandate, about 15% of its employees were unvaccinated. By mid-June, that percentage had dropped to 3% and hit 2% by late July. A total of 153 workers were fired or resigned, while another 285 were granted medical or religious exemptions and 332 were allowed to defer it.


At Jewish Home Family in Rockleigh, New Jersey, only five of its 527 workers quit following its vaccine mandate. Two out of 250 workers left Westminster Village in Bloomington, Illinois, and even in deeply conservative rural Alabama, a state with one of the lowest vaccine uptake rates, Hanceville Nursing & Rehab Center lost only six of its 260 employees.


Delta Airlines didn’t mandate a shot, but in August it did subject unvaccinated workers to a US$200 per month health insurance surcharge. Yet the airline said fewer than 2% of employees have quit over the policy.


And at Indiana University Health, the 125 workers who quit are out of 35,800 total employees, or 0.3%.

[mcski]

It’s a separation of powers thing. The Legislative and Judicial branch can’t be told what to do by the executive. IE - the employees of those branches are not Biden’s employees to tell what to do, he doesn’t have the authority.

The order specifically applies to “executive branch employees”.

It was another example of how the antivaxxers spin bs. POTUS can’t tell legislative and judicial what to do becomes “gets special exemptions”. There is no honest dialogue with these people

[MTT]

Australia. Anyone watching that shit show?

Interesting fact. Of. All the people in hospital with COVID. 78%. Are fully vaccinated
General population 50% are vaccinated

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Fuaci is in favor of boosters for everyone. Says we have enough vaccine for US and rest of the world (not an either or choice). Says we should not be satisfied with keeping people out of the hospital but should use boosters to keep people from getting sick.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...ealthy/620220/

But what about muh antibodies?


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[The AD]

Interesting fact. Of. All the people in hospital with COVID. 78%. Are fully vaccinated

Link please.

For a different perspective: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...s-unvaccinated

[altasnob]

Australia. Anyone watching that shit show?

We've already got an Australia COVID thread in polyass. We even have TGR mag Summer giving us boots on the ground reporting:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...Lockdown/page5

[Skidog]

someone said something about theatre?

[schuss]

someone said something about theatre?

At least it's physical. Most corporate stuff is green screen city.

[ex-powderbroker]

Link please.

For a different perspective: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...s-unvaccinated

MTT's statement seems sub-accurate according to this but I guess anything is possible with small sample sizes (or when you make stuff up).

[MTT]

Link please.

For a different perspective: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...s-unvaccinated

YouTube video Australia Heath minister or maybe Sydney health minister

[The AD]

YouTube video Australia Heath minister or maybe Sydney health minister

So your 78% figure is from Australia?

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Australia. Anyone watching that shit show?

Interesting fact. Of. All the people in hospital with COVID. 78%. Are fully vaccinated
General population 50% are vaccinated

Link? I can’t find anything reporting those numbers.

I checked and that’s been debunked. The Doctor in the press conference said “vaccinated” when he meant “unvaccinated” and the anti vaccination folks ran with it on social media. Stay off Facebook MTT.

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[altasnob]

Interesting fact. Of. All the people in hospital with COVID. 78%. Are fully vaccinated
General population 50% are vaccinated

Even if this is true it doesn't prove the vaccine is ineffective. The majority of people in the hospital are old. Old people have a much higher vaccination % than young people.

[Art Shirk]

YouTube video Australia Heath minister or maybe Sydney health minister

I refuse to believe this until corroborated by tic tok

[MultiVerse]

The Australia thing was previously discussed. The Australian Heath minister misspoke and said vaccinated when he meant to say unvaccinated. He corrected himself in the same press conference which social media snippets makes no mention of:



Jeremy McAnulty misspoke when initially detailing the vaccination status of people in hospital. Dr McAnulty later corrected the record during the same press conference, identifying that everyone in intensive care units (ICUs) in the state due to COVID-19 was unvaccinated – except for one individual who was partially vaccinated.

The slip-up led to social media users claiming that vaccines are “useless” in preventing hospitalisation.

https://www.aap.com.au/no-hospitalis...ll-vaccinated/