To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[teletech]

When the cdc is putting up radio ads that the vaccine is 90% effective at preventing infection. Just heard another ad ten minutes ago. Then you see what is happening in the nba 95% vaxxed and nhl 99+% vaxxed where between 30 and 50% of the Vaccinated players depending on team are testing positive. Either the numbers are wrong or all the athletes are lying about their vax status. Which is more likely. Try to spin it however you like, The numbers dont add up.

[wooley12]

Rest your tender little brain, child. Adults are speaking.

[Danno]

3 of 64 have the vaccine. I always have to edit my posts 1000 times to get them to sorta make sense.

wait, 61 of 64 in the hospital are UNvaccinated, yet the hospital is urging people to get vaccinated to prevent staff burnout? And you think people are out of line to complain about the hospital's urgings? I dunno, it seems pretty hypocritical of a hospital to be saying "hey, people, get vaccinated so that we don't have to work so hard" while the vast majority of the hospital's employees aren't vaccinated.

[Buster Highmen]

, The numbers dont add up.

You've made the point over and over. The numbers don't add up for you which says more about you than the numbers.

[::: :::]

You said it nicer than i would have

[bennymac]

Extremely complicated situation and teletech “sees both sides”.

Well that’s your problem right there^

[jono]

wait, 61 of 64 in the hospital are UNvaccinated, yet the hospital is urging people to get vaccinated to prevent staff burnout? And you think people are out of line to complain about the hospital's urgings? I dunno, it seems pretty hypocritical of a hospital to be saying "hey, people, get vaccinated so that we don't have to work so hard" while the vast majority of the hospital's employees aren't vaccinated.

Quit screwing with my sarcasm meter. Damn this was running some sort of javascript anyway and now here you are testing its limits. It restarted 3 times already today.

[skiJ]

dog.

the Nets are not 100% vaccinated
( his name is Kyrie Irving ) .

omicron shows immunity evasive-ness. and is reported to be 70% - 80% more transmissible than other (variants ( / strains (I prefer) )

an advertisement
that claims 90% effectiveness may mean it is 90% effective at preventing hospitalization.
That's what has been documented.

Because an advertisement used the wrong word does not mean there is a great Conspiracy.

goodbye again, teletech.

skiJ

[The AD]

wait, 61 of 64 in the hospital are UNvaccinated, yet the hospital is urging people to get vaccinated to prevent staff burnout? And you think people are out of line to complain about the hospital's urgings? I dunno, it seems pretty hypocritical of a hospital to be saying "hey, people, get vaccinated so that we don't have to work so hard" while the vast majority of the hospital's employees aren't vaccinated.

I'm presuming he's talking about patients, not staff.

[uglymoney]

wait, 61 of 64 in the hospital are UNvaccinated, yet the hospital is urging people to get vaccinated to prevent staff burnout? And you think people are out of line to complain about the hospital's urgings? I dunno, it seems pretty hypocritical of a hospital to be saying "hey, people, get vaccinated so that we don't have to work so hard" while the vast majority of the hospital's employees aren't vaccinated.

I'm talking patients. Both our hospitals have employee mandates.

Jesus, I thought I was in some sort of brain warp until I figured out what Danno was saying.

I went back and gave it an 11th edit. Not done yet. More edits after my nap.

[skiJ]

Extremely complicated situation and teletech “sees both sides”.

Well that’s your problem right there^

Thank you. ... I laughed - skiJ

[The AD]

teletech seems to adhere to the philosophy that if you say something enough it's going to become true.

[Buster Highmen]

You said it nicer than i would have

I'm giving 'less clumsy' a go. Does it make my posts look fat?

[Ted Striker]

It is like arguing with someone about what color a clear blue sky is. No point.

Shit could not be more obvious.

It is a cult.

It's a cult alright

[Danno]

I'm talking patients. Both our hospitals have employee mandates.

Jesus, I thought I was in some sort of brain warp until I figured out what Danno was saying.

I went back and gave it an 11th edit. Not done yet. More edits after my nap.

lol

I may be a bit slow, sorry for that. I thought your were talking employees.

[Skistack]

Someone with more time on their hands than me should calculate the net loss of Republican voters by state.

[XXX-er]

3 of 64 have the vaccine. I always have to edit my posts 1000 times to get them to sorta make sense.

at least I can blame that ^^ kind of thing on the Tolulene exposure

so my takaway is that almost everyone in ICU is unvaxinated ?

[funkendrenchman]

Looks like no vax for 2-5 year old until summer.

In a trial, Pfizer-BioNTech’s low-dose shot did not provoke an adequate immune response in 2- to 5-year-olds.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12...icron-vaccines

[Garbowski]

The JJ and AZ vaccines seem to be linked to rare cases of 'thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome.' Seems like both thrombosis and thrombocytopenia are well known side effects of actually having COVID. Is what we are seeing just the tail ends of the COVID-like reactions in the vaccinated, or is this something completely different than what the COVID patients get? In the most simplistic terms I would think if the vaccine fucks you up with symptoms similar to the disease, you would have been truly fucked had you actually got it.

[bodywhomper]

When the cdc is putting up radio ads that the vaccine is 90% effective at preventing infection. Just heard another ad ten minutes ago. Then you see what is happening in the nba 95% vaxxed and nhl 99+% vaxxed where between 30 and 50% of the Vaccinated players depending on team are testing positive. Either the numbers are wrong or all the athletes are lying about their vax status. Which is more likely. Try to spin it however you like, The numbers dont add up.

Can you share the cdc radio ad? I found these cdc videos: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...Date%3A%3Adesc

[bobz]

Someone with more time on their hands than me should calculate the net loss of Republican voters by state.

I did note a couple of months ago that Florida's Covid deaths had exceeded Gov DeSantis's margin of victory. That said, this factor is probably noise compared to various other factors, such as how many of the flakier voters for each side show up for any given election.

[bennymac]

The more antivaxxers there are the less antivaxxers there are.

[SumJongGuy]

The more antivaxxers there are the less antivaxxers there are.

Hahaha I laughed.. going to hell but not before they do...

[AK47bp]

When the cdc is putting up radio ads that the vaccine is 90% effective at preventing infection. Just heard another ad ten minutes ago. Then you see what is happening in the nba 95% vaxxed and nhl 99+% vaxxed where between 30 and 50% of the Vaccinated players depending on team are testing positive. Either the numbers are wrong or all the athletes are lying about their vax status. Which is more likely. Try to spin it however you like, The numbers dont add up.

99.9% of America does not essentially live in groups of 50 twenty something year old dudes, sweating, breathing, exercising, sharing locker rooms, planes and busses, partying, etc. all together.

One guy gets it and they all get it.




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[LongShortLong]

altasnob's Math and assumptions look fine to me. A few months ago I was going to post something similar, along with an estimate of how long till we reach herd immunity, I also found a CDC report that used the 4x number. A National Academy of Sciences report used 2x. Both said these multipliers are uncertain, as altasnob noted. The reasoning about how many of the natural cases to assign to the vaxxed / unvaxxed is also fine and has uncertainties. So the 72 million guess is fine. My guess is 4x is too high, so the Covid naive population is larger.

If 72 million is correct, we could guess that about 80% of us have some level of immunity. We could correct this using estimates of actual immunity for the various combinations of vaxxed and infected (e.g. if vax or infection tend to provide 70% protection, then the estimated immunity becomes 70% of 80% equals 56%). Once we've calculated a current estimated population immunity, we can compare that to herd immunity estimates to see how close we are. The current vax and infection rates can then project when we reach herd immunity (or if it is possible with current countermeasures). Keeping in mind that we need to exceed the herd immunity threshold for cases to decline. Also keeping in mind that a heterogeneous population may spread disease better then the homogeneous population assumed in the herd immunity theory.

My understanding is I'm supposed to call altasnob a silly name. Sorry can't think of one. Related, there's this notion that we must condemn anyone with a different pandemic POV. Humans die on strange emotional hills. Some day the pandemic will pass, and many of these people can be forgiven then and are otherwise fine friends. For now, the unreasonable ones ought to stay away