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09-16-2021, 11:50 PM #12676Hucked to flat once
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Hey, we've been on the federal tit for awhile, why not hit our neighbors up too.
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09-17-2021, 12:07 AM #12677
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09-17-2021, 01:49 AM #12678click here
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I say good riddance to the anti-vaxxers. I hope they all get a sharp jab to the arm. A month later I hope another jab hits em in the arm.
Also, some states and regions are past vaxing their way out of this. They need lockdown measures to stop the spread while they vaccinate. And mandates. Let em whine, get em poked. There's no political winning either way, so let's get on with the whining and public health winning. They'll never thank us, I don't care.
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09-17-2021, 05:29 AM #12679
Ontario Science Table already did the work. They found positivity rates among students was about the same as their surrounding communities. So, in Toronto positivity was pretty high, but so was positivity among adults around the school. In places with low case counts, schools had very little to no positivity. Their conclusion is that schools, while obviously do contribute in some way to the spread of the virus, aren't a major driving factor. Likely due to cohorts, masking, and other preventative measures. These measures are all still in place, and now we have vaccinated parents.
So, I'm optimistic but what else am I gonna do just sit on the couch and cry every day? Sick of worrying - gotta be positive I guess.
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09-17-2021, 06:01 AM #12680Banned
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Hey everyone. How y'all doing?
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09-17-2021, 07:48 AM #12681
I wasn't trying to be alarmist at all, and there's definitely reason to be positive about the possibilities.
I understand they collected the data, and that's been done in a lot of places with similar conclusions. We hear it here a lot, too: we know schools aren't driving spread because they don't have higher positively or case counts. But I haven't heard whether that's "no significant difference" (which is itself inconclusive, even though it's often cited as if it meant "conclusively identical") or actually done with enough statistical power to detect a small difference. And I'm curious just how big of a difference could reasonably be expected in any case, since students and their parents are part of the community.
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09-17-2021, 07:49 AM #12682Registered User
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09-17-2021, 07:56 AM #12683
I signed up for a booster. Wide open schedule. Could have driven over this morning to get it.
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09-17-2021, 07:57 AM #12684Banned
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hadn't seen this and got a chuckle...
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09-17-2021, 08:04 AM #12685
^ Wow. The real epidemic seems to be an epidemic of stupidity.
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09-17-2021, 08:12 AM #12686
A big reason for the ongoing vaccine refusal is that it is a Republican strategy to undermine Biden's administration, at the cost of many thousands of human lives. Think of unvaxed people who die of Covid as jihadis, guaranteed a spot in heaven. (Not a heaven I would care to wind up in.)
https://www.newyorker.com/news/lette...den-presidency
" . . . the continuing loss of life is a result of G.O.P. political strategies that intentionally undermine the success of Biden’s policies."
There are plenty of other reasons for refusal as we have discussed ad nauseum and plenty of refusers are not Republicans, but refusal as a political strategy certainly seems to be a major driving factor, especially in states whose (vaccinated) governors actively oppose vaccine and masking mandates. No amount of education is going to change this in the current political environment, which shows no sign of becoming less divisive. It's time to think seriously about travel bans and economic boycotts affecting states with resistance to vaccination at the statehouse. Refusing to accept covid patients in transfer would be a step too far but at least the sending state should be getting the bill.
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09-17-2021, 08:17 AM #12687Banned
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So if Moderna now "owns me" do they support me or am I like a stapler?
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09-17-2021, 08:18 AM #12688______
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09-17-2021, 08:23 AM #12689
How do we know the Justices are human? Ever seen one bleed?
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09-17-2021, 08:34 AM #12690Banned
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09-17-2021, 08:38 AM #12691
This brings us back to the subject of truth and messaging. Just as much as the science is obvious, it shouldn't be controversial to recognize that it's possible to be pro-vax and anti-mandate. There is a long history of Americans thinking they can reach the right answers on their own and/or that forcing them is less effective than letting them figure it out. If the latter is true, then a governor who opposes mandates while actively campaigning for people to do the right thing is objectively taking the best course. And in that case, education and body counts are the only things that will influence the situation.
I think it's possible that exasperation with the willfully ignorant is blinding a lot of people to what course of action actually has the best impact.
FTR, I live in one of these states and I think we're lucky to have a governor who leads by example and who some people might listen to, since the other options (for these people) seem to be either a DeSantis or more open rebellion, kidnapping plots and the like.
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09-17-2021, 08:38 AM #12692
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09-17-2021, 09:11 AM #12696Banned
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09-17-2021, 09:14 AM #12697
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09-17-2021, 09:22 AM #12700Registered User
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