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09-23-2021, 04:13 PM #13526
Over-and-over people have explained the immune system is more than just antibodies. Unlike antibodies, immune memory is durable. Family Guy even made a Short to explain how it works. The point being a positive result from an antibody test does not mean you have a specific amount of immunity or protection from SARS-CoV-2 infection. There needs to be proof of previous symptomatic infection.
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09-23-2021, 04:14 PM #13527
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09-23-2021, 04:14 PM #13528
I'm sure we're all very concerned about becoming unvaccinated.
MTU, how old did you say you were?
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09-23-2021, 04:19 PM #13529
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09-23-2021, 04:21 PM #13530
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09-23-2021, 04:30 PM #13531
Oh I see. The information was “off”. Not your complete inability to understand that led to you getting it 100% wrong - which then led to you calling those that got it correct “total fucking retards”.
Patient handouts and Facebook posts are not an education in immunology and physiology. Someone should have explained that to you a long time ago.
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09-23-2021, 04:36 PM #13532Banned
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Then we can talk boosters just like we are with vaccines.
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09-23-2021, 04:40 PM #13533Banned
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It is easy...I get that.m.doesnt change the fact that it's a choice, at least for perviously infected. Totally non vaxxed, non prior covid are stupid. I'd never deny that.
Again I would love to see studies for prior covid infection just like we do with breakthrough vax cases. Then see who's infection is worse, if at all, then there is a base it seems. To simply ignore prior infection immunity altogether seems remiss. We are simply saying take the vax...period.
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09-23-2021, 04:42 PM #13534
Am I the only person who is confused what Skidog's position is at this point? He's vaccinated, his family is vaccinated, he agrees vaccinations are effective, but he doesn't want a mandate because there might be some people with naturally acquired antibodies. Is that it? Oh, and the rest of us are "Borg" because we think there should be. Seems like a strange hill to die on to me.
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09-23-2021, 04:43 PM #13535Banned
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I'm kinda over it. The "Borg" or "hive mind" absolutely sees nothing but their point..nothing will ever change it no matter how logical the argument or data.
Prior covid immunity antibodies wane...they're not good enough
Vaccine antibodies wane...so what .?
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09-23-2021, 04:45 PM #13536Banned
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So how don't gauge the difference with a vax? Both are still dependent on individual right?
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09-23-2021, 04:47 PM #13537
No you're missing the point with both of your posts above, the problem is an antibody test is an unreliable indicator of prior symptomatic infection.
Other countries like Germany and Israel allow prior infection to count in their vaccine passports because they have reliable data. We do not because in no small part our culture doesn't want government to have that level of state capacity.
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09-23-2021, 04:47 PM #13538Banned
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What does the government force on you next?
I'm arguing people who were perviously infected with covid should not be forced to take a shot.
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09-23-2021, 04:49 PM #13539
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09-23-2021, 04:50 PM #13540Registered User
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the gov doesnt need to force anything
just tell people without a vax about all the things they can no longer do and its working up here
they tried giving out 100 $ in Alberta but that didnt workLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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09-23-2021, 04:51 PM #13541
To add-in, he proposing some unspecific 'plan' where we should test/mandate for antibodies instead even though immunity & resistance isn't granted thru antibodies alone. Further, resistance due to previous infection has all sorts of variables that make it hard to quantify. Both him and mtu seem to overlook that people are advocating for:
uninfected = 2 vax plus booster as deemed necessary
infected = 1 vax plus booster as deemed necessary (so we can baseline and forecast resistance regardless of the nuances of your previous infection)
In summary:
'borg' consensus is you should mitigate your personal risk and public health thru the established practices of vaccination / boosters with respect to your past infection and personal health
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some nebulous antibody verification program that most certainly antivax people will adopt and share their blood and dna with gov't or bbig pharma - despite there never being a program like this on a world wide level
I think that captures it.
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09-23-2021, 04:51 PM #13542
Did you know that there are more than enough vaccines for the entire population of the planet? The logistics of getting vaccines into the arms of people in the third world has very little to do with supply but is a problem of distribution. Getting a booster doesn’t take a vaccine away from the unvaccinated. Trying to parse it in the way you have is virtue signaling of the highest order and disingenuous at best.
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09-23-2021, 04:53 PM #13543
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09-23-2021, 04:54 PM #13544
Here's one difference to chew on: when someone is vaccinated we know exactly when they were vaccinated and what vaccine was administered. That makes it much easier to study and potentially know when a booster might be necessary. Immune response from natural infection is the Wild West in comparison.
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09-23-2021, 04:55 PM #13545
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09-23-2021, 05:01 PM #13546
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09-23-2021, 05:02 PM #13547
Did you read the part in the beginning that was bolded and blue?
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09-23-2021, 05:02 PM #13548
guys...
I sincerely respect the efforts of several of you to refute the arguments of a couple of trolls, but clearly
the trolls are only interested in extending the argument with their 'what about... ' approach - -
the trolls are not discouraged by 'abuse' - to the trolls, there is no such thing as 'negative reinforcement' ; any response simply encourages the trolls to pursue the argument.
Please...
ignore them.
There is good Information in this thread, and
it gets progressively more difficult to find it in the vitriol.
Please ignore the trolls -
Please do not take. their. bait.
Thank you for your efforts.
Respectfully. tj
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09-23-2021, 05:06 PM #13549
Do you really know what a study is and what it takes to be peer reviewed and published?
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09-23-2021, 05:06 PM #13550
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