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    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post
    An analogy - my local fire district requires that home owners clean up their lots in order to maintain defensible space. That's because the state of my lot affects the risk for my neighbors, and for the community at large. The fire district doesn't really care what my opinion is about wildfire origins, defensible space, property rights, or anything else.
    so you’d also require all the communities in the state to maintain defendable space even if there is a 1% risk for getting a wildfire in their area? Because that’s effectively what this mandate is doing. You’re requiring everyone to comply because of something that has a serious effect on less than 1% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    so you’d also require all the communities in the state to maintain defendable space even if there is a 1% risk for getting a wildfire in their area? Because that’s effectively what this mandate is doing. You’re requiring everyone to comply because of something that has a serious effect on less than 1% of the population.
    It's super impressive how obtuse you are. You do realize that 1% of 350M is 3.5M people, right? Even if we're talking 0.5% that's almost 2M people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    It's super impressive how obtuse you are. You do realize that 1% of 350M is 3.5M people, right? Even if we're talking 0.5% that's almost 2M people.
    reading comprehension isn’t your thing… huh…. *less than 1%” was what I said… but I’m surprised you didn’t say 1/500 Americans have died to try and make it seem scarier than what it really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    It's super impressive how obtuse you are. You do realize that 1% of 350M is 3.5M people, right? Even if we're talking 0.5% that's almost 2M people.

    Just a few days ago he shrugged off any concerns when he thought the pandemic 'only' affected 5% of population. He's also said things like "hey bud… the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 killed 50,000,000 million worldwide…" so downplaying the virus along with spreading disinformation is his thing.

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    doesnt seem this has any left or right bias....this is one of the reasons people arent getting vaxxed..

    The Mu variant was more likely to reduce the effectiveness of antibodies produced from vaccinations than other strains of the virus, the team's results showed. But some of the immunity acquired through inoculations work by different mechanisms from that of antibodies.

    https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14439244
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    ^ Because of misinformation, it's one of the reasons people aren't getting vaxxed. Viruses are not bacteria. Unlike antibiotics, vaccines do not produce even more dangerous coronavirus variants. They do the opposite, in fact:

    https://www.science.org/content/blog...worse-variants


    The fact that "some of the immunity acquired through inoculations work by different mechanisms from that of antibodies" is in reference to the adaptive B & T cell response gained from vaccination.

    Vaccines are best thought of as training for your immune system. Just as you wouldn't want to run a race or take a test without preparation, you don't want to face a deadly virus naive & unprepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    reading comprehension isn’t your thing… huh…. *less than 1%” was what I said… but I’m surprised you didn’t say 1/500 Americans have died to try and make it seem scarier than what it really is.
    You're a cunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtuhockey33 View Post
    so you’d also require all the communities in the state to maintain defendable space even if there is a 1% risk for getting a wildfire in their area? Because that’s effectively what this mandate is doing. You’re requiring everyone to comply because of something that has a serious effect on less than 1% of the population.
    I think the numbers probably aren't that far off. I'll bet your chances of dying from Covid last year were roughly the same as any developed area (in the American West) had of encountering a significant wildfire. If I was a betting man I'd guess your chances of dying from Covid were actually higher than your chances of a wildfire in your area.

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    there is one more funny group, the i had to take the shot because of "blablabalb insert appropriate" person and still arguing against vaccines : ) and the divide in society and blabalbalbala
    actually hilarious people

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougW View Post
    Here is in one place all of the arguments against the vax and vax passports. I just skimmed but some points are way out there like no 47 which if you actually read ref shows that their point is the wrong conclusion.

    https://www.eastonspectator.com/2021...UlNo50TUp7n-Rc

    So yes it exists up here to even with a high vac rate.
    I tried to scroll down that page and understand their points. Pretty much reads like:
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    Annnnnnd now the morons are ingesting Betadine to fight off Covid.......We are so fucked:

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...926735360?s=20
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    Its funny that their ref is proof that their statement is incorrect. ref note 47
    Mrs. Dougw- "I can see how one of your relatives could have been killed by an angry mob."

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    dougW, you motherfucking dirty son of a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seano732 View Post
    Annnnnnd now the morons are ingesting Betadine to fight off Covid.......We are so fucked:

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...926735360?s=20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    doesnt seem this has any left or right bias....this is one of the reasons people arent getting vaxxed..

    The Mu variant was more likely to reduce the effectiveness of antibodies produced from vaccinations than other strains of the virus, the team's results showed. But some of the immunity acquired through inoculations work by different mechanisms from that of antibodies.

    https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14439244
    Explain the reason please?

    Hesitant because the vaccine has less reduction against Mu than natural infection does against Mu in the study you linked?

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    To assess the sensitivity of the Mu variant to antibodies induced by SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccination, we generated pseudoviruses harboring the spike proteins of Mu or the other VOC/VOIs. Virus neutralization assays revealed that the Mu variant is 12.4-fold more resistant to sera of eight COVID-19 convalescents, who were infected during the early pandemic (April–September, 2020), than the parental virus (P=0.0078; Figure 1B). Also, the Mu variant was 7.6-fold more resistant to sera obtained from ten BNT162b2-vaccinated individuals compared to the parental virus (P=0.0020; Figure 1C). Notably, although the Beta VOC was thought to be the most resistant variant to date,3,4 Mu pseudoviruses were significantly more resistant to convalescent serum-mediated neutralization than Beta pseudoviruses (P=0.031; Figure 1B).
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seano732 View Post
    Betadine to fight off Covid......
    They've gone from the pandemic is a hoax to doctors are intentionally killing people. The latest prevailing social media conspiracy theory is hospitals *not Covid* are killing patients for the insurance money. So they're frantically casting about for a cure, anything to prevent going to the hospital, except of course the one thing that works: vaccines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Explain the reason please?

    Hesitant because the vaccine has less reduction against Mu than natural infection does against Mu in the study you linked?

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    my point was people will key in on specific things like...."hey i had the virus, see im better protected from MU", then we have the folks that are like rolling the dice, no vax, no prior covid....

    The terms you can easily understand is what people key in on....they miss the rest of the sciency shit cause they heard what they wanted.

    Id rather vax than roll some dice, but hey....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    my point was people will key in on specific things like...."hey i had the virus, see im better protected from MU"
    Which is exactly the opposite of what the data show, it seems to me (assuming they mean in comparison to those who have been vaccinated).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    I think the GOP driven media are no fucking help at all in this mess. Sadly, as you said, they have dug in their heels, but tell me....why isnt the blue line even bigger? I think the mix is more than we (here) choose to believe. I just dont believe its as cut and dry as "if all the trumptards stepped up" this would be over...

    I don't think anyone is saying that only GOP voters are dragging their heels, it's simply one of a few prominent groups (that happens to be making a huge stink about it).

    Hey, this is upbeat!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...acias-covid-19

    (borat: not)
    They got a name for the winners in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Which is exactly the opposite of what the data show, it seems to me (assuming they mean in comparison to those who have been vaccinated).
    why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ml242 View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying that only GOP voters are dragging their heels, it's simply one of a few prominent groups (that happens to be making a huge stink about it).

    Hey, this is upbeat!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...acias-covid-19

    (borat: not)
    I agree that the right wing media is making the most noise....sadly...and that sucks balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...
    Your article did say in addition to inducing antibodies, vaccines also allow a person to acquire immunity through additional mechanisms.

    The additional mechanisms also provide protection against Mu if you ever encounter the variant in the wild. And if that happens, you will come away even better protected than before. The vaccines are helping, not hurting, your ability to acquire immunity to variants.

    Even if vaccination doesn't always prevent infection, it lessens disease severity, and your immune systems still adapts. The only caveat, there does seem to be an upper limit on how much immunity a person can acquire to a particular pathogen but that's true whether a person is vaxxed or infected in the wild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...
    The new Mu variant of the novel coronavirus is more than seven times more resistant to antibodies created by vaccinations than the original strain of the virus, a study by a Japanese research team has found.
    See the 7.6x figure in the graph Mofro posted. So to me "the purpose" is to state that Mu has substantial resistance to antibodies created by vaccinations (compared to the original strain). The thing it is also resistant to antibodies produced by those who have been naturally infected, and that number is actually 12.4x, so the data still suggests vaccinations are better, but the story didn't really address that point at all (at least that's my layman's take).

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seano732 View Post
    Annnnnnd now the morons are ingesting Betadine to fight off Covid.......We are so fucked:

    https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/stat...926735360?s=20
    "Betadine is highly toxic and poisonous when ingested"


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    Don’t really care anymore. I mean I wish no harm to anyone, I just don’t care either way. There’s no changing the course we’ve set. Enjoy the ride, good luck all!


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