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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    I'd prefer to never again hear or read the phrase "new normal".
    Fair enough.. It's really not "new" at all to folks who were already aware (er umm woke?) of the realities of police brutality, how many people around them were/are actually gay, how oppressed women have been all through history, etc. It's more about denial from many when these things are pointed out more and more with measures implemented to formally acknowledge/address them.
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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoova View Post
    The fact that this guy is still an LTC at 20 makes him look like a prime candidate ... and a little foolish.
    Exactly, he obviously has been passed over AT LEAST TWICE for promotion to Colonel. His careers was over.

    And he was assigned to “Special Troops Battalion”. That sounds badass to a civilian, but it has nothing to do with Special Forces. Special Troops Battalion is the marching band and other assorted ash&trash units. Total dead assignment for an LTC.

    Fucking loser.


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    Let's take a step back and imagine how horrific things would be here right now without working vaccines.. i.e. if nobody was vaccinated yet. It's crystal clear now that even having had it last year isn't much protection at all this year. That alone should bring down any intelligent(?) rational(?) person to the decision to roll up their sleeve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Can you refuse an order because you're on leave? I assume he hadn't been given a direct order (yet), but if he's at odds with his CO on this, isn't he still sticking his neck out on this thing until he's actually out?
    Nobody is going to waste time hassling this guy on his way out the door, even if he's screaming hysterical nonsense all the way to the parking lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Let's take a step back and imagine how horrific things would be here right now without working vaccines.. i.e. if nobody was vaccinated yet. It's crystal clear now that even having had it last year isn't much protection at all this year. That alone should bring down any intelligent(?) rational(?) person to the decision to roll up their sleeve.
    This was always part of the problem with SD, mask mandates, etc... There is no good way to convince certain people how effective those policies have been. Like if we did everything possible and had no cases the same set that doesn't want to go along with things would be rubbing it in our faces how it was all a big farce the whole time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Exactly, he obviously has been passed over AT LEAST TWICE for promotion to Colonel. His careers was over.

    And he was assigned to “Special Troops Battalion”. That sounds badass to a civilian, but it has nothing to do with Special Forces. Special Troops Battalion is the marching band and other assorted ash&trash units. Total dead assignment for an LTC.

    Fucking loser.


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    I don't disagree with your assessment if this particular individual. I strongly disagree with your blanket broadstroking of ALL who put in 20 years and don't make full bird. There were quite a few people with steller careers out of military academies who were passed over after reaching LTC in the late 60s and ear;y 70s... Something else was going on called Viet Fucking Nam. The were on advisory boards and expressing the legit position that the effort was unwinnable. More recently well, you know, Afghan is fucking stan. Same shit with people giving well qualified expert opinions who got screwed for doing that. I, for one, thank them rather than calling them all losers. Old goats kid is one example of many caught in that rut but he can keep quite because he's not a lieutenant or LTC being asked for his expert opinion before being fucked for being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    I don't disagree with your assessment if this particular individual. I strongly disagree with your blanket broadstroking of ALL who put in 20 years and don't make full bird. There were quite a few people with steller careers out of military academies who were passed over after reaching LTC in the late 60s and ear;y 70s... Something else was going on called Viet Fucking Nam. The were on advisory boards and expressing the legit position that the effort was unwinnable. More recently well, you know, Afghan is fucking stan. Same shit with people giving well qualified expert opinions who got screwed for doing that. I, for one, thank them rather than calling them all losers. Old goats kid is one example of many caught in that rut but he can keep quite because he's not a lieutenant or LTC being asked for his expert opinion before being fucked for being honest.
    I’m well aware of Vietnam. I enlisted at age 17 just 26 days after the last helicopter took off from our embassy.

    Maybe I am jaded because of my own experience.

    Made it to E-6, got selected for an officer program and got a free college education, graduated #1 in my OCS class so I got a regular commission not a reserve commission, then told 18 months later the Berlin Wall is coming down and we are cutting the military in half so bye-bye. Asked if I could go back to E-6, they said it would be OK if I only had a reserve commission but as a regular officer no way. Should have graduated #2 in my class. Oh well. Moved to Montana, became a ski bum, and 35 years later I was the Mayor of Big Sky. Premature end of my military career worked out for me. YMMV.

    Still stand by my above assessment. That LTC is an ideologue who has no place in the military. His actions are a direct threat to those he serves with and are contrary to good order and discipline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I’m well aware of Vietnam. I enlisted at age 17 just 26 days after the last helicopter took off from our embassy.

    Maybe I am jaded because of my own experience.

    Made it to E-6, got selected for an officer program and got a free college education, graduated #1 in my OCS class so I got a regular commission not a reserve commission, then told 18 months later the Berlin Wall is coming down and we are cutting the military in half so bye-bye. Asked if I could go back to E-6, they said it would be OK if I only had a reserve commission but as a regular officer no way. Should have graduated #2 in my class. Oh well. Moved to Montana, became a ski bum, and 35 years later I was the Mayor of Big Sky. Premature end of my military career worked out for me. YMMV.

    Still stand by my above assessment. That LTC is an ideologue who has no place in the military. His actions are a direct threat to those he serves with and are contrary to good order and discipline.

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    Couldn’t have said it better, from one sailor to another. We never talked politics when I was in the Navy. Maybe with our civilian friends but it just wasn’t done among service members.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Still stand by my above assessment. That LTC is an ideologue who has no place in the military. His actions are a direct threat to those he serves with and are contrary to good order and discipline.

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    You didn't answer the challenge. You seemed to be saying that EVERYONE who doesn't make full bird at 20 years is or was a "loser". We don't disagree about the POS in this discussion. I disagree about the fact that there were others who were asked to provide assessments on current campaigns and were punished and blackballed for being honest when asked That's not the same thing as stumping for shit that isn't part of your oath or duty to country and command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I am sick and tired of reading every single freakin' day story after story about an unvaxxed person in the hospital telling everyone they need to get vaxxed because it's HORRIBLE. Well no fucking shit Sherlock. It's like having someone tell you if you stand out in the rain without a coat you're gonna get wet.
    Do you feel like in most of these stories the Covidiot is contrite or ashamed? I’ve read a couple of quotes where it seemed they were basically saying “I believed the bullshit the right wing pundits and my friends were blabbing about, now I realize how wrong I was…please don’t repeat my mistake”.

    I can relate to the No Shit Sherlock feeling but I hope these news stories continue to get visibility. Even if they only impact 1% of the unvaxxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    You didn't answer the challenge. You seemed to be saying that EVERYONE who doesn't make full bird at 20 years is or was a "loser". We don't disagree about the POS in this discussion. I disagree about the fact that there were others who were asked to provide assessments on current campaigns and were punished and blackballed for being honest when asked That's not the same thing as stumping for shit that isn't part of your oath or duty to country and command.
    I was not implying that, it was not my intention to present it that way at all. Sorry if I did. I certainly agree that there are good people of all ranks, some get promoted, some don’t. As an enlisted fleet sailor who “came up through the hawsepipe” I dealt with my share of ring knocking Academy douchebags.

    That LTC has no place in the military. Glad he resigned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Do you feel like in most of these stories the Covidiot is contrite or ashamed? I’ve read a couple of quotes where it seemed they were basically saying “I believed the bullshit the right wing pundits and my friends were blabbing about, now I realize how wrong I was…please don’t repeat my mistake”.

    I can relate to the No Shit Sherlock feeling but I hope these news stories continue to get visibility. Even if they only impact 1% of the unvaxxed.
    I'm trying to practice compassion but I'm getting worn down. I would certainly never say "I told you so" to anyone suffering from Covid's ravages. I suppose that post was my way of screaming into the void.

    I have a friend (75yo) who has been in the hospital for over a week now with Covid. She's not doing well. Don't know if she was vaxxed or not because I was told it was none of my business but I'm inclined to guess the answer is "no."
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Do you feel like in most of these stories the Covidiot is contrite or ashamed? I’ve read a couple of quotes where it seemed they were basically saying “I believed the bullshit the right wing pundits and my friends were blabbing about, now I realize how wrong I was…please don’t repeat my mistake”.

    I can relate to the No Shit Sherlock feeling but I hope these news stories continue to get visibility. Even if they only impact 1% of the unvaxxed.
    I don't think the "news" sources the unvaxxed follow do any reporting on all the near-death or deathbed converts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I am sick and tired of reading every single freakin' day story after story about an unvaxxed person in the hospital telling everyone they need to get vaxxed because it's HORRIBLE. Well no fucking shit Sherlock. It's like having someone tell you if you stand out in the rain without a coat you're gonna get wet.

    And that sentiment is falling on deaf ears…

    One of our young (37yo) COVID patients, right before he was intubated, told his buddy to get vaccinated. Buddy is refusing to get the vaccine even though his friend has been on a ventilator for 21 days. Three fricking weeks! Unfortunately the patient’s lungs are toast and he most certainly will not recover from this.

    I’m at a loss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I'm trying to practice compassion but I'm getting worn down. I would certainly never say "I told you so" to anyone suffering from Covid's ravages. I suppose that post was my way of screaming into the void.

    I have a friend (75yo) who has been in the hospital for over a week now with Covid. She's not doing well. Don't know if she was vaxxed or not because I was told it was none of my business but I'm inclined to guess the answer is "no."
    Seems like the majority consensus around here on your friend would be "oh well"....how many did she infect on her way to the hospital? Remember your audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    I am sick and tired of reading every single freakin' day story after story about an unvaxxed person in the hospital telling everyone they need to get vaxxed because it's HORRIBLE. Well no fucking shit Sherlock. It's like having someone tell you if you stand out in the rain without a coat you're gonna get wet.

    And that sentiment is falling on deaf ears…

    One of our young (37yo) COVID patients, right before he was intubated, told his buddy to get vaccinated. Buddy is refusing to get the vaccine even though his friend has been on a ventilator for 21 days. Three fricking weeks! Unfortunately the patient’s lungs are toast and he most certainly will not recover from this.

    I’m at a loss.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    I was not implying that, it was not my intention to present it that way at all. Sorry if I did. I certainly agree that there are good people of all ranks, some get promoted, some don’t. As an enlisted fleet sailor who “came up through the hawsepipe” I dealt with my share of ring knocking Academy douchebags.

    That LTC has no place in the military. Glad he resigned.


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    Ahh I just read it differently, I have loads of family who did their 20, some longer. Only one made it to full colonel. I'm glad you weren't meaning it the way I read it. I know you're better than that.. FWIW, I made it to full bird Popcorn Kernal with the local scout troop hahahaha. Pop told me to avoid the military life unless we really were under attack. He did well for most of his and really well afterward. Anyway, cheers Harry ;-)
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    It's cult level mass hysteria. I'm really thinking it's best to let that free market they worship (and Darwin) sort this shit out. And ya, really does look like asshat LTC will not be getting that TriCAre free Medicare without getting vaxed first now.. All that posturing and he loses.. LOSER fo sho!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Seems like the majority consensus around here on your friend would be "oh well"....how many did she infect on her way to the hospital? Remember your audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riser3 View Post
    You sir can fuck the fuck right off. And eat a bag of dicks.
    Call em like I see em boss. If the shoe fits and all...

    Seems like you might be in that camp....guess what...you're far from alone, not only here, but like half of the USA....don't feel too bad brah.

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    half of america would tell the old lady to go die, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Seems like the majority consensus around here on your friend would be "oh well"....how many did she infect on her way to the hospital? Remember your audience.

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    That might be your conclusion
    But you are a known pendejo with proven challenges in reading comprehension (vibes BTW)
    I don’t see where anyone else arrived at your dumbass consensus
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    Quote Originally Posted by ml242 View Post
    This was always part of the problem with SD, mask mandates, etc... There is no good way to convince certain people how effective those policies have been. Like if we did everything possible and had no cases the same set that doesn't want to go along with things would be rubbing it in our faces how it was all a big farce the whole time.
    I have a suggestion. As a society we are mandating "herd immunity". You can get the vaccine or you will be given Covid. If you chose Covid, go home with your symptoms, as that was your choice and no hospital will admit you unless you're paying cash.
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    My family had a dog who would gnaw the corners off furniture and pull at carpet when she got bored. She knew it was wrong but craved attention even if it was negative. We started walking her more and she stopped being an asshole. I hope skidog finds someone to walk him.

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