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08-28-2021, 09:48 PM #10601Banned
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08-28-2021, 09:59 PM #10602
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08-28-2021, 10:00 PM #10603
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08-28-2021, 10:07 PM #10604
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08-28-2021, 10:09 PM #10605
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08-28-2021, 10:38 PM #10606
Nope, not even close. (In my career I've only removed 4 lung cancers caused by asbestos, and they were all in the same guy--bulldozer operator who used to demolish old houses. ) How do you prevent it--don't smoke (my guy was a smoker, smoking increases the risk and avoid exposure. While there is some risk to the general public the great majority of cases are in people exposed repeatedly on the job. If there is asbestos in your home it's usually best to leave it alone or carefully encapsulated (we have asbestos covered ducts which we've covered with plastic sheeting.) Removal should only be done by hazmat experts.
There are a lot of lung cancers in non smokers--perhaps some are in people who were exposed to asbestos but never knew it. Radon. All the other shit we put in the air. Wildfire smoke. Avoiding asbestos is a lot easier than avoiding all the other shit.
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08-28-2021, 10:39 PM #10607
Whaddya wanna bet this dickhead is a Trumpie?
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/stat...779324928?s=20Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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08-28-2021, 10:48 PM #10608
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08-28-2021, 11:01 PM #10609
No Idea, stay tuned. Surely that violated multiple federal statutes at once.
I bet his spirt animal is Ted Nugent.
Or, of course, Joe Rogan.
Edit: in the tweet
“ I think the premise stated is true, but in this case police arrived in numbers shortly after and subdued the man who was then strapped to a gurney and taken to a VA mental health facility, according to Miami News 10. He was ID’d as a vet undergoing some mental health crisis.”
Vibes to those vets who are suffering, but sorry, you shouldn’t get a pass for this even if true. He shouldn’t have been allowed to fly? This can’t be his only Roid Raging incident.Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident
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08-28-2021, 11:41 PM #10610Banned
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Aww so cute...but science
I'll be the first to admit the number don't add up.. But I'll also be the first to question the guys making $$$ hand over fist.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...ection-parties
And mofro.. I love your continuity but the math isn't any where close to difficult much less interesting......and the numbers based on peer reviewed studies don't add up
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08-29-2021, 12:01 AM #10611Banned
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08-29-2021, 12:12 AM #10612Banned
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08-29-2021, 01:23 AM #10613Banned
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08-29-2021, 03:48 AM #10614action potential
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I’ve heard this anecdotally as well.
In addition, colleagues have been seeing myelopathy (spinal cord damage) from zinc toxicity. People are taking massive doses of zinc to prophylax against the rona, and the excess zinc apparently affects copper metabolism.
Low copper can also cause a macrocytic anemia (this was in a recent NEMJ I flipped through). I’m sort of wondering now if all the crap the anti-vaxxers are taking, is actually worsening outcomes.
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08-29-2021, 04:26 AM #10615
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08-29-2021, 05:24 AM #10616
Dr. Cockapoo loves him some retrospective studies, but that doesn't even attempt to address keeping up with mutations. And the simple math gets complicated--maybe confounded, even.
From Science: "the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2."
What happens to simple math when most of the people with the weakest immune systems are removed from one arm and not the other? Say a bunch of them died between becoming eligible and the start of the study. Maybe from the disease that made them eligible, for instance. And then another chunk are removed because they can't actually be reinfected since they've never cleared the first infection? Or are they removed? Maybe you leave them in--after all, the best protection against re-infection is not testing again because of an existing infection, right? Is that how the simple math works? Maybe just give a quick lesson if you don't mind.
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08-29-2021, 07:40 AM #10617
^ The latest from data from Israel's Ministry of Health shows reinfections are ticking up among naturally infected recovered patients too. The reason has to do with demographics and location due in large part to the way Delta started among younger unvaccinated populations in more highly % vaccinated urban areas before spreading to older lower % vaccinated rural areas.
Since the study period ended, the percentage of reinfected recovered patients has risen from 0.47% through 2020 to 0.71% for 2021, and now 1.8% verified since the beginning of August 2021.
In other words, Deebased's talking point is already outdated but that won't stop him or anyone else so inclined from reposting the study millions of times on social media.
The bottom line: Thanks to memory B & T cells immunity to COVID from vaccination or infection will be long-lived for most people. But research shows people who are vaccinated have more memory B-cells recognizing variants than people who recovered from mild COVD and were not vaccinated.
So the idea natural immunity is better when its safety profile led to the death >600K+ Americans makes the talking point absurd. Then add to that the fact that we have peer-reviewed published data, including the study discussed above, showing the real benefit of vaccines in people with prior SARS2 infection.
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08-29-2021, 07:45 AM #10618www.apriliaforum.com
"If the road You followed brought you to this,of what use was the road"?
"I have no idea what I am talking about but would be happy to share my biased opinions as fact on the matter. "
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08-29-2021, 08:06 AM #10619Registered User
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Why do horses get all the good drugs?
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08-29-2021, 08:11 AM #10620"When the child was a child it waited patiently for the first snow and it still does"- Van "The Man" Morrison
"I find I have already had my reward, in the doing of the thing" - Buzz Holmstrom
"THIS IS WHAT WE DO"-AML -ski on in eternal peace
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08-29-2021, 08:17 AM #10621
There is a theoretical basis for natural infection producing stronger immunity--natural infection presumably produces immunity against multiple sites on the virus while the vaccine induces immunity only against the spike protein. OTOH, since natural infection has been shown to produce lower antibody titers, immunity would likely fade faster, which might explain what Multiverse posted. To be meaningful the study has to be carried out for much longer.
At least hypothetically the mutations in the spike protein in the Delta variant would lead to spike protein based vaccines being less effective against Delta, but if the rest of the virus is unchanged natural immunity might still be as effective against Delta. Whether this is actually the case I don't know.
Also, since natural infection is contracted through the nose, those people should have a more robust antibody response in the nose, so the vaccinated would be expected to have a higher incidence of asymptomatic and symptomatic nasal infections.
The Israeli study is interesting but of no practical importance, since no one could possibly be stupid enough to try to get Covid instead of the vaccine to induce immunity, could they?
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08-29-2021, 08:24 AM #10622
The Struggle to Vaccinate Springfield, Missouri
Two nurses in Missouri said that some patients are suspicious of retractable needles, which make a clicking sound after the shot is administered. The patients asked whether that was the sound of a microchip being implanted in their arms.“When you see something that is not right, not just, not fair, you have a moral obligation to say something. To do something." Rep. John Lewis
Kindness is a bridge between all people
Dunkin’ Donuts Worker Dances With Customer Who Has Autism
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08-29-2021, 08:24 AM #10623
The study deebased likes to post also shows a single dose on top of a previous infection provides better protection. Because protection wanes for natural infection too—a single vaccine dose cuts the risk in half compared to those reinfected and unvaccinated.
In the other study linked above, people who are vaccinated have more memory B-cells recognizing variants than people who recovered from mild COVD and were not vaccinated. So there's an important distinction between convalescent cases vs mild cases.
One of the things lost in the discussion is it's natural for antibody levels to peak after vaccination or natural infection and then fall. It's normal. Blood would turn to sludge if antibodies after every infection or vaccination remained elevated over a lifetime.
Since Covid isn't the flu, folks shouldn't automatically assume annual boosters will become a thing. While a booster shot will boost short term antibody levels, there may be an upper limit to how many long-term antigen-specific memory B-cells you can have. The good news is when memory B-cells are stimulated they produced antibodies as soon as 4 days later.Last edited by MultiVerse; 08-29-2021 at 04:07 PM.
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08-29-2021, 08:27 AM #10624
You also can’t get long COVID from the vaccine
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08-29-2021, 08:33 AM #10625
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