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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Imagine if George Washington had tried to inoculate troops without a double blind placebo controlled trial. Bet we'd have lost the war.
    Let's see here. Smallpox had like a 30% mortality rate back in the day. What's COVID mortality like for the average aged healthy young soldier? 0.000001%? Pretty weak how people try to compare the two situations. Apples =/= Oranges

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Let's see here. Smallpox had like a 30% mortality rate back in the day. What's COVID mortality like for the average aged healthy young soldier? 0.000001%? Pretty weak how people try to compare the two situations. Apples =/= Oranges
    There was no COVID back then.. So, it would have been small pox and that wasn't developed until 1798
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    new mRNA COVID vaccines without any clinical trials
    These vaccines would NOT be NEW. JFC get it through your thick fucking skull.
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    So who ate the cracker?
    I'm cool with this, as long as you Kirkwood Bro Brah's stay away from Heavenly when 88 closes- TahoeBc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    These vaccines would NOT be NEW. JFC get it through your thick fucking skull.
    Heís doing this just to push buttons.
    "boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    These vaccines would NOT be NEW. JFC get it through your thick fucking skull.
    What are you talking about? We're talking about developing a NEW vaccine tailored for a NEW variant. Yes, it is the same technology with minimal changes. But it is not the exact same vaccine that is currently being administered. In layman's terms, it's a NEW recipe. Stupid argument because it just comes down to your definition of new.

    I'm not pushing buttons. You guys are totally clueless on how a huge chunk of the US thinks. 33% are unvacinated. This isn't some small, isolated, sub group. It's a third of the fucking country. 50% of the world is unvaccinated. Scientist may be very good at developing vaccines but they aren't so good at figuring how to convince Bubba he needs to get a new shot every six months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzworthy View Post
    He’s doing this just to push buttons.
    AKA, trolling
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    Trolling is someone who doesn't believe in what they say just to cause a ruckus. I truly believe it what I say. From the beginning of the pandemic, I thought our entire response was too focused on how to keep our little gated communities safe (i.e. the US) while saying fuck off to the rest of the planet. I'm a big picture, long term thinker. And the big picture, long term, shows that it really doesn't matter if 100% of America is vaccinated with a vaccine made for the dominant variant if Africa and other shit hole countries stay at 7% vaccination. And domestically, I want 100% to get vaccinated but question whether shoving it down the throat of the 33% who remain vaccine skeptical is the right way to accomplish that goal, particularly when we plan to CONTINUALLY vaccinate that 33%. There is nothing wrong with questioning the status quo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NakedShorts View Post
    So who ate the cracker?
    You’ve eaten the ookie cookie, sharts

    so a 1/3 of the country gets sick, dies, to prove their manhood. Fuck ‘em

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    Well, my turn to catch the kung flu.

    Double vaxxed with moderna, woke up yesterday with fever, chills, cough. Added body aches to the list this morning. Took the monoclonal antibody today, so we'll see if that speeds things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    I truly believe it what I say.
    We are all very well aware. Dog speed buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    We're talking about developing a NEW vaccine tailored for a NEW variant.
    Nope. This has been explained to you by multiple people multiple ways. You are ignoring that rather than saying you don't understand, thus you are rightly accused of being a troll.

    You guys are totally clueless on how a huge chunk of the US thinks.
    And to them I would patiently explain it. And I'd do it again. And I'd have someone else do it. Then I'd recognize the futility of further explanation and say "well, this is complex stuff, it is OK to leave it to the experts."

    But in Clown World, people with room temp IQs are applauded for demanding that their understanding of the world be acknowledged as the true limit of understanding.

    Expertise is dead.
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    Mofro, is a vaccine specifically developed for Omicron a new vaccine or is it exactly the same as the three Pfizer shots I already got? When you say "Influenza vaccines are re-formulated each year to account for different strains" does "re-forumlated" mean the same thing as "new?"

    Summit, if I don't understand what it is you are talking about, 90% of TGR readers don't understand either and just don't bother to admit it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    If you change a few "letters" in the mRNA to match to the Omicron spike protein instead of the Wuhan-1 spike protein, is that a "new" vaccine?
    Yes. Why wouldn't you call this "new"? Anyway, like I said, it's semantics. If I replace "new" with "re-formulated" like Mofro used, would it make you happy? Or if rather than call it "new," we call it "variant specific vaccine" (that's what I've seen some articles refer it to).
    Last edited by altasnob; 01-19-2022 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Mofro, is a vaccine specifically developed for Omicron a new vaccine or is it exactly the same as the three Pfizer shots I already got?
    You canít be this fucking stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    But in Clown World, people with room temp IQs are applauded for demanding that their understanding of the world be acknowledged as the true limit of understanding.
    Sig worthy


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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    What are you talking about? We're talking about developing a NEW vaccine tailored for a NEW variant. Yes, it is the same technology with minimal changes. But it is not the exact same vaccine that is currently being administered. In layman's terms, it's a NEW recipe. Stupid argument because it just comes down to your definition of new.

    I'm not pushing buttons. You guys are totally clueless on how a huge chunk of the US thinks. 33% are unvacinated. This isn't some small, isolated, sub group. It's a third of the fucking country. 50% of the world is unvaccinated. Scientist may be very good at developing vaccines but they aren't so good at figuring how to convince Bubba he needs to get a new shot every six months.
    ( post preservation )

    no, altasnob - it is not a new vaccine; it is changed - not new.
    it does not have anything to do with 'layman's terms' - it is You demanding that your definifition be satisfied. Just no.

    Yes, You are pushing buttons. it is a form of trolling - Just criticism, You offer no solution. You use phrases like, "little gated community" to refer to "the US".
    'the US' is hardly " a little gated community. "

    You insult the people ( "Bubba" ) you appear to seek to represent.

    with 9.8Billion people vaccinated, I would say a Good start has been made
    ( the delivery of vaccination is not the responsibilty of "Scientists") --

    end part one. tj
    Last edited by skiJ; 01-19-2022 at 06:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Trolling is someone who doesn't believe in what they say just to cause a ruckus. I truly believe it what I say. From the beginning of the pandemic, I thought our entire response was too focused on how to keep our little gated communities safe (i.e. the US) while saying fuck off to the rest of the planet. I'm a big picture, long term thinker. And the big picture, long term, shows that it really doesn't matter if 100% of America is vaccinated with a vaccine made for the dominant variant if Africa and other shit hole countries stay at 7% vaccination. And domestically, I want 100% to get vaccinated but question whether shoving it down the throat of the 33% who remain vaccine skeptical is the right way to accomplish that goal, particularly when we plan to CONTINUALLY vaccinate that 33%. There is nothing wrong with questioning the status quo.
    ( post preservation, volume two )

    altasnob. Do you really consider "the US" a "little gated community" ?

    news flash : by my understanding of that term, it is Not ( a gated community )
    ( how do you included the homeless populations in Seattle and Portland in your "little gated community" ? )


    I have addressed your trolling above -

    ( please ) offer an alternative solution.
    Your criticism of the Real, Good Work. ... Yes, it is trolling - Because You don't offer an alternative.

    ' Scientists develop vaccines, but they don't administer them. '
    Well, altasnob, we live in an age of specialization. it is not the responsibility of the of the Scientists to design the mechanism of distribution, And I would say with 9.8Billion doses administered in a year, that Work is being done.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...-distribution/

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    29Million doses are being administered daily.
    I believe that is a good start.

    (( altasnob. If you want to equate vaccination with "shooting up" , I do not believe you can ever be part of the solution. ( troll away, poor thing. ) ))


    My thanks to those who have offered your expertise in response to this junk.

    LSL, Summit, Mofro ; MUnicorn, Mult- - Thank you All. And there are others... Thank you.


    if you are reading, you know my message : Please maintain your vaccination immunity with timely boosters.


    good night. tj
    Last edited by skiJ; 01-19-2022 at 05:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiJ View Post
    ( post preservation, volume two )
    Hey skiJ, I'm not Dumb Old Dad deleting my posts. I find your stupid fucking "post preservation" bullshit insulting. Go do some research and come back to us with something interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Hey skiJ, I'm not Dumb Old Dad deleting my posts. I find your stupid fucking "post preservation" bullshit insulting. Go do some research and come back to us with something interesting.
    If we do nothing at the beginning of the pandemic, just go on life as usual, fuck it attitude as you're suggesting, the hospitals would've been overrun and there would've been much excess death. There probably has been a lot of excess death in the states who have given zero fucks, take Florida for example. They even deflate their COVID numbers to make it seem less severe down there and it's still a total shit show. So I guess I don't agree that we shouldn't have been concerned primarily at first with the USA. What do you suggest the USA do at the beginning of the pandemic to enforce SD measures or what have you in other countries? Seems like a fools errand.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    These vaccines would NOT be NEW. JFC get it through your thick fucking skull.
    Maybe a way to think about it would be a different version of a similar airplane...like how there are Boeing 747SP, 747-400, 74708, VC-25, etc. They're different, but not different enough to be starting from scratch....whereas comparing the Wright Flyer to a Dreamliner is a completely different aircraft...like comparing the polio vaccine and the mRNA covid vaccines...very different so the initial mRNAs had to go through trials but slight adjustments do not need as rigorous of trials.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Well, Iím still here. Woke up from a 3 day nyquil nap, and felt like jogging. Too cold and under quarantine. When it hit me Sunday night it was like 3 Para at Mt Longdon. Flares, gunfire in all directions, delirium. Wow, thank god it didnít continue. Told my accountant his wife was a dumb ass for not being Vaxed. I blame the NyQuil.




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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Mofro, is a vaccine specifically developed for Omicron a new vaccine or is it exactly the same as the three Pfizer shots I already got? When you say "Influenza vaccines are re-formulated each year to account for different strains" does "re-forumlated" mean the same thing as "new?"

    Summit, if I don't understand what it is you are talking about, 90% of TGR readers don't understand either and just don't bother to admit it.



    Yes. Why wouldn't you call this "new"? Anyway, like I said, it's semantics. If I replace "new" with "re-formulated" like Mofro used, would it make you happy? Or if rather than call it "new," we call it "variant specific vaccine" (that's what I've seen some articles refer it to).
    Every fucking year the flu vaccine is "different", tweaked to the most likely variants they expect. It's not a NEW flu vaccine that has to go through all three phases of clinical trials.. But, it's also not the exact same as last year either.. Make sense now?
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    altasnob arguing with mofro about vaccines is pretty damned funny. and telling.
    "fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danno View Post
    altasnob arguing with mofro about vaccines is pretty damned funny. and telling.
    All you've got to do is read the journals.

    It's just like how reading the laws makes lawyerin' so simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    I totally get that we put out flu vaccines every year without clinical trials. And I get that Mofro, Summit, and Old Goat are all saying we should do the same for COVID vaccines. What I am wondering is why this Prof Sir Andrew Pollard guy, who apparently helped make the AstraZeneca vaccine, is telling me he disagrees with the stance of Mofro/Summit/Old Goat, et al?

    When I dig in and try decipher why Sir Pollard thinks this way, I get:

    "We haven't even managed to vaccinate everyone in Africa with one dose so we're certainly not going to get to a point where fourth doses for everyone is manageable."

    He also states that at the current moment, he is not convinced the UK will ever need another booster shot, ever. He qualifies this statement by saying his opinion could change depending on what future variants emerge. And his statement is limited to the situation in the UK, not elsewhere.
    I am not remotely in the same league as Mofro and Summit science-wise and don't belong in the same sentence.

    You do have a point that some people will be suspicious of an omicron vaccine because it hasn't been tested. The same unvaccinated people who are suspicious of the first generation vaccines because they "haven't been tested".

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