To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[Adolf Allerbush]

Go get em tiger. It’s vax or nothing here. Nobody wants common sense

Actually the frustration with people is that they lack common sense when it comes to getting vaccinated vs. taking your chances with COVID. 90% of people dying from covid or having serious complications are the unvaccinated, roughly. The people that view that as being NBD and a better outcome than getting a vaccination seriously lack common sense.

[BobbyBill]

Got boosted with Moderna yesterday after Pfizer shots in mid March/early April. Not "officially" eligible, but will be travelling over Thanksgiving (for a change) and wife is a health care worker. As others have indicated, it was no big deal with no eligibility questions asked and folks administering the shots seemed happy to see folks getting their boosters. No side effects with either the first 2 Pfizer doses or this Moderna booster other than it feels like someone punched me in the arm.

[gretch6364]

Science> common sense.. Common sense told us the earth was flat.

Maybe it is hindsight...but surely many people that had climbed a big hill or looked out at the ocean concluded the earth was curved using their common sense....right?

[bennymac]

Nine lung transplants performed in B.C. as a result of COVID infections

https://vancouversun.com/news/nine-l...vid-infections


Of the nine British Columbians who received a lung transplant, eight of them had “no comorbidities,” meaning they were healthy before contracting COVID, said Dr. John Yee, the surgeon who performed the transplants. The patients range in age from early-30s to mid-50s and worked in public-facing jobs, although not all of them contracted the virus at work.

Yee said none of the nine people were vaccinated because they all got sick before the COVID vaccines were widely available, and all are now vaccinated.

[MultiVerse]

As a parent of a 6 yo..

There was a good opinion piece in USA Today this morning talking about it, but while I was able to read it on my phone, it is now behind a pay wall on my computer:

https://www.usatoday.com/restricted/...2F&gnt-tng-s=1

It was talking through myocarditis rates (1 in 5,000) for the 12 to whatever group of teenage boys and the Pfizer trial of the 5 to 11 age group (4,700 test group) and how moderna is not submitting their vaccine for emergency approval for this younger group due to the myocarditis issues.

The article is paywalled so I can't decipher its specific claims but so far in the clinical trials there have been no vaccine-induced myocarditis in children, age 5-11.

Myocarditis typically does not happen in pre-teenage kids. That doesn't mean it won't happen, but if it does it will probably be very rare.

[SumJongGuy]

Maybe it is hindsight...but surely many people that had climbed a big hill or looked out at the ocean concluded the earth was curved using their common sense....right?

That's science... finding differing observations. The one that convinced most was the fact that when a ship comes in you see the mast first, then the ship. Documenting that evidence is science.. Accurate enogh measurements would even tell you how large the sphere is. Gut feel that the earth must be flat because that's how it looks and feels from the same point of view of many individuals is common sense..

[bagtagley]

It baffles me that the CDC is not pushing this information out to the public. It’s all about death rate, hospitalization, ICU capacity.

I would think letting the public know their or their kids chances of ending up with life long complications from a case of COVID would be pretty important.

They should also be putting out lots of information comparing this disease to all the other diseases kids get vaccinated for. As a parent you get pretty bombarded with info on chance of serious illness or death from your kid getting MMR, etc as a comparison against the vaccine.

As a parent, I rely on the expertise of my kids doctors (who have said get the vax). If you have concerns or hesitations, that’s a good place to start.

[gretch6364]

Yeah...wish it wasn't paywalled...unfortunately, it is an opinion peace (as stated) from a Doctor and is directed at what should be communicated to parents.

The info that I saw, said the trials were a total of 4,700 kids age 5-11. Is that what you have seen?

I presume some of those are female, who appear to be at a lower risk for myocarditis, and then moderna is not even applying for approval for that age group due to this risk (at least that is the info that I saw).

I have to caveat every thing unless I have formally published scientific studies so that a conversation in thought/reason is not labeled me spreading misinformation to benefit my so called extremist political agenda....since apparently worrying about your kids is a right wing view, despite both my wife and I being fully vaxxed and trying to get boosters.

[old_newguy]

As a parent, I rely on the expertise of my kids doctors (who have said get the vax). If you have concerns or hesitations, that’s a good place to start.

My kids will certainly be getting vaccinated when they are eligible.

There are lots of parents who need to be convinced, we should have a PR campaign to convince them with facts and data.

[teletech]

The trial was 2200 kids with a third getting placebo. The real trial is just starting

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’ve had my 7 tr old get tested 3 times always negative. The rest of us have been positive for a while now. It so frustrating because the 5 yr old could go to school on Monday but the 7 yr old has to wait another week after that. We are waiting until they can both go. Positive 5 yr old has no symptoms

This post is confusing. What are you trying to convey?


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[SumJongGuy]

Yeah...wish it wasn't paywalled...unfortunately, it is an opinion peace (as stated) from a Doctor and is directed at what should be communicated to parents.

The info that I saw, said the trials were a total of 4,700 kids age 5-11. Is that what you have seen?

I presume some of those are female, who appear to be at a lower risk for myocarditis, and then moderna is not even applying for approval for that age group due to this risk (at least that is the info that I saw).

I have to caveat every thing unless I have formally published scientific studies so that a conversation in thought/reason is not labeled me spreading misinformation to benefit my so called extremist political agenda....since apparently worrying about your kids is a right wing view, despite both my wife and I being fully vaxxed and trying to get boosters.

Asking again.. I'd be worried too. But, I'd also put a lot of weight on what the kid's cardiologist and family care physicians say about it.. Have you spoken to them about these concerns?

[old_newguy]

Go get em tiger. It’s vax or nothing here. Nobody wants common sense

Don’t mistake my frustration with the lack of information and PR campaign regarding the vaccination for kids as me being on your side.

It’s patently obvious that shaming people who are not currently vaccinated into getting vaccinated isn’t working.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Well, there is also the fact that every time I’ve been “exposed” and “quarantined” or have symptoms and subsequently taken time off, kept kids home, and been tested…..I and they are not positive and just have a cold.

(My kids have been in a daycare the entire pandemic, so I’ve been through this a few times. Only recently did we actually have a COVID case in the classroom.)

It’s getting fucking annoying and expensive. Frankly at this point it feels like I’m upending my life to prevent people who don’t give a shit about anyone else from getting sick.

If only there was a way to prevent serious illness and death from Covid…


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[gretch6364]

Asking again.. I'd be worried too. But, I'd also put a lot of weight on what the kid's cardiologist and family care physicians say about it.. Have you spoken to them about these concerns?

Yes, we definitely will have a chat with the cardiologist about it. At his last physical we asked his pediatrician and the answer was "I will be getting my child (who is in my sons class) the vaccine." That is obviously a different answer then a detailed discussion with a specialist up to date with his health history.

[MultiVerse]

11 of 100,000 is not 1 in 5000. For a start.

So you are saying it is 1 in 9,090? I was using the numbers I saw specific to males in the age group of 12 to 17. I did some googling and there seems to be a range of quotes related to the study. Some say 1 in 6,172, etc.

I'm not sure which study is being discussed but researchers had to retract several preprint studies that miscalculated higher heart inflammation risk for Moderna and Pfizer Covid vaccines due to math errors.

For example: Covid study linking vaccines to rare side effect of myocarditis was wrong, researchers admit

[dunfree]

Leave your stupidity and politics where they belong...pollyass.

Only you are entitled to show your politics and dumbfuckery everywhere?

[old_newguy]

If only there was a way to prevent serious illness and death from Covid…


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Man, I know right? Since literally everyone I know is vaccinated and hopefully in 6 months my kids will be as well, it’s just getting really old being told “hey, we still need to worry about this population over here who won’t do the right thing, can you please do the right thing and work with your kids at home, take time off, get swabs shoved up you and your kids noses, etc”.

[gretch6364]

Only you are entitled to show your politics and dumbfuckery everywhere?

Holy crap...is your only purpose in life to cunt up every thread on TGR? I made zero political statements about anything. Your inability to have a normal thought out conversation about anything like a normal human is a joke. Again.....being concerned about your kids is not political (and neither was the article...which was not behind a paywall on my phone when I read it taking my morning shit). Is USA Today owned by the far right and I just didn't know it? Holy cow, I need to put you on ignore. I figured you would be adult enough to separate the Padded Room from Polly Ass. I obviously over estimated your maturity and thought it was playful banter relegated to the shit box. Please stop chasing me around TGR for no apparent reason. Your obsession with misinterpreting my words is creepy as shit.

I promise to stop feeding the troll....but man alive.

[teletech]

The go get them tiger was for gretch. Only took a second before the insults got hurled. I don’t have a side.

[old goat]

Gretsch--I don't see anything wrong with your kid being in second million, or third million to be vaccinated. There are 28 million kids to vaccinate, plus people who need boosters, and first and second shots. It's not going to happen overnight, even if the doses are out there, so not every kid can get it immediately. Just don't be the last.

I wouldn't think your kid's bicuspid AV increases his risk of getting vaccinated and he is going to have to be vaccinated at some point. In looking at the myocarditis statistics remember that the risk is immediate, while the risk of covid, assuming it becomes endemic, is lifelong, so the benefit of the vaccine increases the farther out in time you look.

Pretty sharp of your pediatrician to catch the valve. I was 60 when they caught mine. (And 68 before they had to do anything about it.) But then they didn't have heart echoes when I was a kid. The stethoscope had just been invented I think.

[dunfree]

Holy crap...is your only purpose in life to cunt up every thread on TGR? I made zero political statements about anything. Your inability to have a normal thought out conversation about anything like a normal human is a joke. Again.....being concerned about your kids is not political (and neither was the article...which was not behind a paywall on my phone when I read it taking my morning shit). Is USA Today owned by the far right and I just didn't know it? Holy cow, I need to put you on ignore. I figured you would be adult enough to separate the Padded Room from Polly Ass. I obviously over estimated your maturity and thought it was playful banter relegated to the shit box. Please stop chasing me around TGR for no apparent reason. Your obsession with misinterpreting my words is creepy as shit.

I promise to stop feeding the troll....but man alive.

Cunt up this thread? This thread has been cunted forever you stupid fuck. And you, our little anti vax snowflake, are trolling here.

adult? I’m adult enough to see your dumb politics in this gretch. If you were half as smart as you tell yourself you are you’d see it too. Now put me on ignore so you can have your safe space snowflake.

[KQ]

Q: Now that I've had my booster am I super human or just back to where I started when I got the first two jabs?

[gretch6364]

Gretsch--I don't see anything wrong with your kid being in second million, or third million to be vaccinated. There are 28 million kids to vaccinate, plus people who need boosters, and first and second shots. It's not going to happen overnight, even if the doses are out there, so not every kid can get it immediately. Just don't be the last.

I wouldn't think your kids bicuspid AV increases his risk of getting vaccinated and he is going to have to be vaccinated at some point. In looking at the myocarditis statistics remember that the risk is immediate, while the risk of covid, assuming it becomes endemic, is lifelong, so the benefit of the vaccine increases the farther out in time you look.

Pretty sharp of your pediatrician to catch the valve. I was 60 when they caught mine. (And 68 before they had to do anything about it.) But then they didn't have heart echoes when I was a kid. The stethoscope had just been invented I think.

Thank you for sharing your experience Goat. It was scary when we first learned of it, but the more we read, it becomes more of a "monitor it every couple years and nothing should come of it until he is at least 50." He doesn't have any restrictions, plays normal, runs fast, skis his ass off, etc. Good info on the immediate, etc. I definitely am not read up enough on the long term effects of myocarditis. If he had not already had COVID, definitely would be more worried about preventing it in the first place....although I am sure getting it a second time (like my wife, even after being fully vaxxed) would rank higher on the pluses/minuses list when making the decision.

Because he was IUGR and we live at a high elevation, he was part of a joint study being done with CU and a university in Brazil. Apparently, the rates of IUGR are much much higher in children born at higher elevations. As part of that study, he was doing regular scans/tests. Luckily, everything else health wise was normal for him and he quickly was released out of the study, but not before they found the valve issue. He is a strong kid and despite being born premature and only 4lbs, 7 oz at birth, didn't spend a second in the NICU.

However, stuff like this makes you think more about it then maybe a parent that didn't go through that...you know, since my wife and I appear to be fully vaccinated and about to be boosted "anti-vax snowflakes"

[skaredshtles]

The State of Colorado sent me a text saying I was eligible to get the shot. I went to CVS's website, answered their questions honestly (one of which was very vague and easy to honestly answer yes to), and they set me up with an appointment. I think there's a wink wink nudge nudge thing going on with the booster, where officially there is eligibility criteria, but unofficially it is known to be beneficial to anyone and so lots of places are happy to put one in your arm.

From how I read this official eligibility statement, we're pretty much all eligible in the State of Colorado's opinion:

Who should get a booster dose?
You should get a booster dose if you:

Are 65 years old or older.

Live in a long-term care facility.

Are 18 to 64 years old and at high risk of severe COVID-19.

Are 18 to 64 years old and at high risk because of where you live or work. For example, if you live in a college dorm with lots of other students or you work at a grocery store where you are in contact with many people every day, you may be considered high risk.

You received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for your initial dose.

Colorado’s prevalence of COVID-19 makes the state a high-risk place to live and work. Anyone who is 18+ who would like a booster and is six months past their initial series of an mRNA vaccine or two months past a J&J vaccine should make a plan to get one or discuss with their doctor.