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09-28-2021, 11:23 AM #14276
Was that a new personal best from Aever? It hasn't even snowed yet.
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09-28-2021, 11:24 AM #14277
MTU: 41% of your total posts on tgr are just you battling the same shit over and over in this one thread.
Take a lap, man.
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09-28-2021, 11:41 AM #14278
Yes, many people who get exposed to the virus can have very mild disease that will clear from activation of the innate immune system without actually generating much adaptive immunity.
What I've been trying to get across, even before these vaccines rolled out, is that getting immunity from Natural Infection has a much larger distribution in the response within a population (not an individual) than the immunity from a defined dose with a known quantity, with mild/asymptomatic infection that is retained in the nasal passages much less likely to induce a protective response vs. moderate and severe disease, with that nasty little side effect that 1.5-2% of the infected just might die.
The whole reason the 2 dose vaccines are better than a single dose, is a larger % of the people didn't make enough of an immune response after a single exposure and need a second exposure to enhance that immunity. It's why we suggest getting a vaccine after infection anyway, to augment/increase the level of protection as based on some measurable metrics.
I like the thought of some of our assays being used, but it's hard not to see that splitting off a tier to require Antibody testing as a prerequisite to getting a vaccine sets up 2 mandates vs the one. At a cost to the indivual.Move upside and let the man go through...
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09-28-2021, 11:45 AM #14279Banned
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09-28-2021, 11:46 AM #14280
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09-28-2021, 11:48 AM #14281
Narcissistic Douchebag is a better description I think
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09-28-2021, 11:50 AM #14282
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09-28-2021, 11:51 AM #14283
It probably depends on your definition of "ample protection." As you can see by those bell curves it's pure statistics. More people (though not all) will be protected by getting the vaccine(s)--and especially the mRNA vaccines--than those who got COVID. Plenty of people use that parenthetical bit to argue the vaccines "don't work," but nothing could be further from the truth.
[also should say this is just my interpretation. I'd definitely defer to the experts on this]
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09-28-2021, 11:51 AM #14284
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09-28-2021, 11:57 AM #14285Registered User
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09-28-2021, 11:58 AM #14286
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09-28-2021, 12:06 PM #14287Banned
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09-28-2021, 12:08 PM #14288Banned
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09-28-2021, 12:09 PM #14289
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09-28-2021, 12:12 PM #14290
Awesome, thanks! That 1/10 that were negative in the vaccinated samples, can you share how that breaks out by vaccine (or just a proportion of each in your samples)? It sure looks like J&J needs some help there--would be curious to know if that gets any better with time, too (ETA just noticed they'd used trials data, so...hopefully better with time?)
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09-28-2021, 12:15 PM #14291
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09-28-2021, 12:18 PM #14292
TL/DR this shitshow every post every day.. Probably already discussed but.. If a person gets fired for refusing to provide proof of vaccination after a three month notice of the requirement do they get to collect unemployment? How different is this than failing a drug test after a three month notice that the job will require drug testing?
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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09-28-2021, 12:30 PM #14293Banned
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09-28-2021, 12:33 PM #14294Banned
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I know in NY they will be denied unemployment for failing to meet a job requirement, or something along those lines. I think it varies state to state, and then appeals.
I don't think its a good idea, but rules are rules and you can indeed go find another job if you dont like it...debates will happen though I am sure...lawsuits...the whole deal...
For sure a hot button issue.
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09-28-2021, 12:38 PM #14295
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09-28-2021, 12:42 PM #14296
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09-28-2021, 12:47 PM #14297
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09-28-2021, 12:47 PM #14298
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09-28-2021, 12:49 PM #14299
More likely within the JJ for sure. Ancedotally more likelihood with being female vs male, but that could also be sample bias.
Yeah that article first showed up in preprint last March, published in May and it would be great to see an updated analysis. It should be noted those data are plotted for "prevention of symptoms". What they don't tell is that even with sub-optimal levels of antibody that allows an infection to occur, there is still T cell and b cell activation from a memory response that occurs to massively ramp up antibody levels within 3-5 days after an exposure and help limit disease progression.
It's why many of those in science are questioning how important a booster shot will really be other than to help that small 5-10% of vaccinees with a suboptimal responses after 2 doses , outside of increasing the odds of not getting infected at all upon an exposure from (Delta) 2/3 to ~7/8-9/10.Move upside and let the man go through...
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