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  1. #17601
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    I was in Safeway the other day around lunch time a whole bunch of high school kids came in, to get stuff for luck i guess, none had a mask.

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    And in uk at least, the latest wave was sorted mostly by secondary school kids

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    Anyone got any insights on how maksing vs no masking impacts breakthrough infections and hospitalizations? What I'm getting at is that I have a hunch that people fully vaxxed are also more likely to be masked up in public indoor spaces.. just more careful in general everywhere.. So, it's hard to say that it's 100% the vax causing the lower infection/hospitalization rates among fully vaxxed people.

    Can someone give me a control masking variable for dummies explanation of how that's managed in the real world? I somewhat remember how they managed that during initial trials.. but out in the wild not so sure with Delta changing things..
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    Anyone got any insights on how maksing vs no masking impacts breakthrough infections and hospitalizations? What I'm getting at is that I have a hunch that people fully vaxxed are also more likely to be masked up in public indoor spaces.. just more careful in general everywhere.. So, it's hard to say that it's 100% the vax causing the lower infection/hospitalization rates among fully vaxxed people.

    Can someone give me a control masking variable for dummies explanation of how that's managed in the real world? I somewhat remember how they managed that during initial trials.. but out in the wild not so sure with Delta changing things..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    I was in Safeway the other day around lunch time a whole bunch of high school kids came in, to get stuff for luck i guess, none had a mask.
    Hilarious seeing boomers and such get so freaked out by groups of teens all over again. "Yes, police? Yeah. I'm at the drive-in and there's a group of young hooligans hanging out. The guys have pompadours, so I'm sure they're up to no good! Some even have skateboards!"

    "I tHinK THeY waNT mE tO diE!!! WhY Don'T TheY CARe?!"

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    It's not like people are dying because other people aren't wearing masks.. oh wait..
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    I feel like kids have been a lot better with masking than adults in general. At least that's been my personal experience, but it could also reflect living in an area with good mask compliance overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I feel like kids have been a lot better with masking than adults in general. At least that's been my personal experience, but it could also reflect living in an area with good mask compliance overall.
    Agreed. Although we have some parents that have told their kids to take their masks off on the bus when they leave school, knowing that the bus drivers won't enforce the mask requirement because they get paid shitty and the buses are a free for all...we don't have our kids on the buses.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    Agreed. Although we have some parents that have told their kids to take their masks off on the bus when they leave school, knowing that the bus drivers won't enforce the mask requirement because they get paid shitty and the buses are a free for all...we don't have our kids on the buses.
    Double agreed - my kids think nothing of it. They put on the mask when we go somewhere that requires it - and often leave it on while driving home.

    No complaints - and they are not shy about registering complaints.

    But, yeah, very influenced by their community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I feel like kids have been a lot better with masking than adults in general. At least that's been my personal experience, but it could also reflect living in an area with good mask compliance overall.
    That's been my observation through this whole thing. I have to remind my three boys they can take them off when they leave school. They hardly ever complain and it seems the kids on the elementary playground and those walking around the middle of high school have no problem with it. But yes, it's a high mask compliance area for sure with responsible parents so the ridiculous pushback never got a hold here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Hilarious seeing boomers and such get so freaked out by groups of teens all over again. "Yes, police? Yeah. I'm at the drive-in and there's a group of young hooligans hanging out. The guys have pompadours, so I'm sure they're up to no good! Some even have skateboards!"

    "I tHinK THeY waNT mE tO diE!!! WhY Don'T TheY CARe?!"
    Are you suggesting that Rodís post seemed like a boomer freaking out? Seemed like an observation to me, no hyperbole unlike every post that you make. Pompadours? Boomers would be more likely to have a pompadour than kids today.

    More seriously, whatís wrong with one of the most vulnerable groups being concerned about being indoors with unmasked people? You really are a first class moron. Hilarious!


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    Speaking of masks, I listen to this podcast on raising boys in this current era and they had a decent pod on masks. https://www.on-boys-podcast.com/keep...atory-viruses/

    I knew there was wide variety in the effectiveness of masks based on technology, but this discussion was good to hear how to get a good mask that keeps you and yours safe from the numbskulls that are wearing the masks on their chins, noses hanging out, fake masks (see above), etc.

    It makes me think it would be very difficult to ascertain how well masks work even in areas with decent mask compliance because people may be using masks that are not very effective.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    I'm still having trouble believing the SA data showing Omicron went from 1% to 90% in about 15 days. That can't be right. Measles would be jelous.
    Trevor Bedford addresses this question on his twitter. Rt relies on both transmissibility and immune escape. In other words, just because Omicron is spreading fast does not mean it is more transmissible than Delta, but could be a combination of transmissibility and getting around immunity. Also says estimates of current fitness advantage of Omicron are likely to get lower in the coming days as bias from preferential sequencing eases as more surveillance samples are sequenced. He ultimately does not think it is likely that Omicron is as transmissible as Delta and is more likely to fall near Gamma (because Omicron lacks some of the mutations that make Delta so transmissible). Not necessarily good news because he thinks Omicron's immune escape is driving the spread. Shown here in a graph:



    I like this graph he shared which points to where we need the vaccines to go:


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    Yesterday there was a family of fatties at the local public indoor market. Everyone was morbidly obese and unmasked. Dad was especially interesting, embroidered skinny jeans with his flabby muffin top spilling over the waistband. American flag hat and backpack. He was also carrying a 10Ē Bowie knife on his belt and you could tell mom and dad were spoiling for a fight.

    Iím not thrilled about the irony of masking in indoor places with people eating unmasked a few feet away but rules are rules and weíre all in this together.

    People talked about masking as virtue signaling last year, now itís swung the other way. People unmasked when the vast majority are masked because of mandates. Virtual signaling that youíre a patriotic freedom lover and donít care about others health.


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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Trevor Bedford addresses this question on his twitter. Rt relies on both transmissibility and immune escape. In other words, just because Omicron is spreading fast does not mean it is more transmissible than Delta, but could be a combination of transmissibility and getting around immunity. Also says estimates of current fitness advantage of Omicron are likely to get lower in the coming days as bias from preferential sequencing eases as more surveillance samples are sequenced. He ultimately does not think it is likely that Omicron is as transmissible as Delta and is more likely to fall near Gamma (because Omicron lacks some of the mutations that make Delta so transmissible). Shown here in a graph:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFiMrAtVEAsHG0m

    I like this graph he shared which points to where we need the vaccines to go:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWwT43V...jpg&name=large
    Yes, I'm well aware of these concepts, but I still have having trouble believing the immune escape and R0 combination required to generate the SA data. I think it is a sampling issue. Otherwise, as I said, Measles would be jealous (and we might be proper fuct unless virulence took a dive).

    As to the vaccine target map, which is based on uptake, well, kinda. That's just one thing to look at. You also have to consider population risk factors and uptake in target populations. For variant prevention you also have to consider the efficacy of the vaccines deployed to some extent.

    However, for variant prevention, this map is arguably as or more important than the total vaccine uptake map, but it is very politically incorrect to discuss in the open.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    I was in Safeway the other day around lunch time a whole bunch of high school kids came in, to get stuff for luck i guess, none had a mask.

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    An interesting observation.
    Your talking about the Safeway in Truckee - down the street from the high school?

    Let me know if it’s a trend.

    Mall mask behavior was interesting to observe at Meadowwoods mall last weekend
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    politically incorrect for whom? The Christian churches that were anti-condom for years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    politically incorrect for whom? The Christian churches that were anti-condom for years?
    For many many power structures and narrative orchestrators, we need not pretend HIV prevalence is unifactorial. But sure, you do a religious demographic overlay map and you will piss off the Catholic power structures although South Africa and Botswana are mostly Protestant. My message is that it is a hard subject to discuss while being critical to the consideration of new variants. The immunocompromised are viral mutation factories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    I think it is a sampling issue.
    This is above my pay grade, but on this specific issue he says, "Note that these estimates of current fitness advantage of Omicron are very likely to get lower in the coming days as bias from preferential sequencing eases as more surveillance samples are sequenced." "I'd hope for modeling work using this S dropout data to better quantify relative fitness of Omicron vs Delta in the following days."

    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1464353251147481089

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Getting close to the end of the Greek alphabet with all this letter skipping. So what alphabet comes up next to name the variants? I vote for Basque so we don't have any confusion with world leaders.
    "I'll have Uve Bikoitza with a side of Hatxe, and can we get a plate of Erre for the whole table?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    This is above my pay grade, but on this specific issue he says, "Note that these estimates of current fitness advantage of Omicron are very likely to get lower in the coming days as bias from preferential sequencing eases as more surveillance samples are sequenced." "I'd hope for modeling work using this S dropout data to better quantify relative fitness of Omicron vs Delta in the following days."

    https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1464353251147481089
    Interesting read. I hope he's wrong on the estimates and right on it changing. But the virus doesn't care about feels.
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    My buddy in Greece told me they are mandating vaccines for 60yr olds and older. 100Ä fine per month they arenít vaccinated.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...pm-2021-11-30/

    What happens for those who refuse and also donít pay the fine?

    Jail? Iím all about vaccine mandates but once you start rounding up and imprisoning the unvaccinated it sorts of crosses a line (in my opinion)


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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    What happens for those who refuse and also don’t pay the fine?

    Jail? I’m all about vaccine mandates but once you start rounding up and imprisoning the unvaccinated it sorts of crosses a line (in my opinion)
    We used to do exactly that for Smallpox. In fact, there was a SCOTUS case about it. Guy was fine $5 for refusing, refuse to pay, was sent to jail. SCOTUS gave thumbs up. Jacobsen vs Mass 1905
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    My buddy in Greece told me they are mandating vaccines for 60yr olds and older. 100Ä fine per month they arenít vaccinated.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...pm-2021-11-30/

    What happens for those who refuse and also donít pay the fine?

    Jail? Iím all about vaccine mandates but once you start rounding up and imprisoning the unvaccinated it sorts of crosses a line (in my opinion)


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    Did the article say that the unvaccinated seniors would be jailed? Maybe they will just forfeit 100 euros of their pension. Maybe if they donít pay the fine theyíll be denied care. I guess weíll find out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47bp View Post
    My buddy in Greece told me they are mandating vaccines for 60yr olds and older. 100€ fine per month they aren’t vaccinated.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...pm-2021-11-30/

    What happens for those who refuse and also don’t pay the fine?

    Jail? I’m all about vaccine mandates but once you start rounding up and imprisoning the unvaccinated it sorts of crosses a line (in my opinion)
    I'd imagine there are much easier mechanisms to collect the money: wage garnishment, deducting it from retirement checks, etc.

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