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09-17-2021, 11:45 AM #12751
Its almost like the info from 2 years was contextually different (and qualified) than how the situation evolved and, for some reason, he's ignoring all the messaging and refinement since then. Completely disingenuous given the steady stream of rhetoric and disinformation from the denier camp.
It's TFG tactic - find a single instance where it may be plausible that your opponent may have done something that sort of matches your endless stream of lies: "see we're all liars". Find that false equivalency at all costs.
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09-17-2021, 11:50 AM #12752Banned
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09-17-2021, 11:50 AM #12753______
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While you may like to reframe what you are doing as being anti-establishment (which is amusing that you go after certain “establishment” figures, yet seem to omit a litany of others who are doing one thing while telling their constituents to do another and watching them die) When viewed in its entirety, that’s not what you are doing. I’m not going to go pull some single sentence out of your posting history as some sort of gotcha. Your posts speak for themselves.
The experts in this thread like Mofro, Multiverse, etc have done more to counter the “establishment” (let’s just flip your definition for a second to point right instead of left) narrative and hypocrisy against masks, vaccinations and other public health measures than you can ever hope.
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09-17-2021, 11:54 AM #12754
Obviously universal agreement on mandates is not a goal. Universal agreement on vaccines would be easier to achieve and result in faster vaccination. Both are impossible. But mandates are a means to an end and whether they are the most effective means has not been established. Mandates feed the narratives of the lunatics and the fence sitters see that. Whether we net more jabs is the question and in some parts of the country I think we will not.
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09-17-2021, 11:54 AM #12755
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09-17-2021, 11:57 AM #12756______
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09-17-2021, 12:03 PM #12757
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09-17-2021, 12:11 PM #12758
Setting ID's governor aside, this. Every word.
At this point, vaccination is just another front in the culture war. I could drive around and tell you people's vax status from their bumper stickers, lawn signs, and tee shirts. Reasoned consideration is over - that is, if it ever existed. American exceptionalism alright...
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09-17-2021, 12:12 PM #12759
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09-17-2021, 12:12 PM #12760
perhaps
this is the modern conundrum:
facts can't be abandoned to stroke the egos of the ones slurping up disinformation.
and, unless confronted with the errors very directly, the misinformed just keep on keeping on, often dismissing politely-delivered correcting info...which is fine unless it affects others
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09-17-2021, 12:14 PM #12761
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09-17-2021, 12:14 PM #12762Hucked to flat once
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Idaho, where there is no mask mandate, we're in statewide crisis care, 50% vaccine rate, there are no ICU beds available, our top export is sick people, our GOP Lt. Gov is standing on the steps of the capital building saying PRIVATE businesses are taking away freedoms, we just appointed an anti-vax testing facility owner to our CDH, and we're going forward with a 30,000 in-person football game this weekend and a 20,000 person music festival next week all within a mile of my house.
I expect the ridicule.
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09-17-2021, 12:19 PM #12763
Can you provide an example of you saying the same thing? Apart from you saying kids are different, which is also the FDA's current position, the only thing I could find is you claiming vaccines were causing strokes in young women and saying the Tuskegee experiments shows we can't trust Covid vaccines. Those aren't examples of you saying LITERALLY exactly the same thing at the time.
Whereas to use your mask example, while you were telling everyone about your friends who'd rather die than take any precautions folks here were discussing how the CDC's recommendations on masks at the time were wrong.
There's a German word 'Bildungsphilister' or dogma-prone newspaper reader that defines why you receive so much push back. MontuckyFried = Bildungsphilister, a person who takes politics literally and science metaphorically rather than the reverse, for example.
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09-17-2021, 12:19 PM #12764
Damn. I wasnt even going to wait for the mandate to get the fatshot.
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09-17-2021, 12:20 PM #12765
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09-17-2021, 12:24 PM #12766Banned
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09-17-2021, 12:25 PM #12767
Imagine if an arbiter could be brought in from some other planet who hasn't previously heard about Covid. "Let's see, there's a global pandemic with over 225 million cases worldwide that's killed (conservatively) 4.5 million people so far. Effective vaccines have been developed and in use for over a year with close to six billion doses administered. Um, what's the question again? Beam me up, Scotty!"
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09-17-2021, 12:27 PM #12768Banned
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09-17-2021, 12:28 PM #12769
To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues
I want to see some solid benefit-cost analyses of mandates versus no mandates. People will get vaxed if it’s mandated. They won’t be happy about it, but it’ll drastically change the current situation. There’s gotta be some good ways to mitigate the potential costs of pissing people off that are forced to vax.
A guided dose of lsd/mdma should be considered
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09-17-2021, 12:29 PM #12770
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09-17-2021, 12:31 PM #12771
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09-17-2021, 12:31 PM #12772______
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The ethics of this are fraught, but…
I’m currently leaving in favor of my governor preserving our hospital capacity to perform surgeries and routine procedures for people with life threatening conditions like cancer, emergencies from day to day activities, strokes, etc if that means stopping unvaccinated cases at the border.
I mean, it’s not even ridicule at this point, your states policies are actively harming people in other states.
I know this doesn’t work long term because we may certainly need assistance and cross state border surge capacity as well and how do you filter out those who can get the vaccine from those that can’t, etc
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09-17-2021, 12:32 PM #12773Hucked to flat once
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09-17-2021, 12:36 PM #12774
How many vulnerable people did they spread it to before succumbing to the consequences of their own actions? How many other peoples cancer surgeries did they delay because “freedom”?
These questions will be ignored by the shitstains in here who will instead climb up on their high horses and pull out their hair crying “why are you guys celebrating the deaths of the unvaxxed? You selfish assholes! Why can’t you be morally righteous like me? Why can’t everyone’s opinion be valued the same?”
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09-17-2021, 12:37 PM #12775
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