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    The numbers on VAERS give vaccinated people unnaturally long lives--like vampire-long. 3+ centuries would be the average lifespan given how many deaths have been reported*. Maybe these anti-vaxers know something we should be paying attention to?

    *That's conservative: assuming the average reported death happens within 2 days. If it's more than 2 days (looks like it is, but probably not by a lot) then the result goes even higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ticketchecker View Post
    de·lu·sion·al
    /dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/

    adjective
    characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

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    Thanks for that. It seemed easy at the time to concede that there are some opinions among the delusional that don't warrant respect, but obviously it makes more sense to stay focused on the delusion and skip the opinions. Even the crazies usually claim to believe in facts (as long as they get to pick them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    The numbers on VAERS give vaccinated people unnaturally long lives--like vampire-long. 3+ centuries would be the average lifespan given how many deaths have been reported*. Maybe these anti-vaxers know something we should be paying attention to?

    *That's conservative: assuming the average reported death happens within 2 days. If it's more than 2 days (looks like it is, but probably not by a lot) then the result goes even higher.
    I don't see how you can infer lifespan data based on how many people died within a given time frame. That doesn't make sense to me.

    You can certainly calculate the "expected" number of people who would have died over a given time period. Per CDC statistics the death rate in the U.S. is 870 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm). The New York Times says 211 million Americans have received at least one shot. No idea if the 2 days thing is correct or not, but 2/365 = .0055, so you would expect 870 x .0055 = 4.77 deaths per 100,000 over two days. 211*10 = 2110 "100,000 people," so 2110 * 4.77 = 10,060 expected deaths. That's not dramatically different than the 7,653 that have been reported.

    The other factor is that deaths are not uniform throughout the year. There are more deaths in winter than summer. I suspect most of the vaccinations occurred from March on, so it's very possible if the data was adjusted for this that it might be even closer to the actual number reported in VAERS. Of course there are also the demographics of those who were vaccinated to confound this. More old people have been vaccinated than young people.
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    what a looker eh?

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    She wasn't at the demonstration. She was just about to start her shift at Starbucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I don't see how you can infer lifespan data based on how many people died within a given time frame. That doesn't make sense to me.
    As time passes people get sick and die naturally but with only four thousand deaths in a population given 380 million doses the vaccines must be prolonging lives.

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    Hasn't aged a day since Kingpin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    As time passes people get sick and die naturally but with only four thousand deaths in a population given 380 million doses the vaccines must be prolonging lives.
    This would be a good conspiracy to get rolling... might fit right into the "collecting baby blood" theme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    As time passes people get sick and die naturally but with only four thousand deaths in a population given 380 million doses the vaccines must be prolonging lives.
    Keep in mind that's 380 million doses, not 380 million people.

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    The same would apply in population of 190 million people.

    On average about 8,000 Americans die every day. Wheres the average for the vaccinated population, using antivax logic, is 15 per day. In other words the death rate, again using antivax logic, for the unvaxxed is 533x higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    The same would apply in population of 190 million people.
    See my math above.

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    I'm not sure I understand your math, I mean I do understand what you're getting at, but he's comparing the death rate in the vaxxed pop vs unvaxxed pop. Keep in mind this is all tongue in cheek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I don't see how you can infer lifespan data based on how many people died within a given time frame. That doesn't make sense to me.
    Without knowing ages I just took a SWAG by checking to see what the odds are of a person dying within about two days after vaccination (0.00002 according to reports) and what your lifespan would need to be to get your own odds of dying in a random 48-hour period down to that level. I got ~274 plus your age. Average age upon vaccination is pretty old, definitely more than 26. Obviously the vaccine problem was too hard to solve so the Trump administration ordered these companies to dip into the national supply of vampire venom and give us all the smallest effective dose. These aren't really vaccines, sheeple.

    Or the VAERS numbers reflect a combination of very good safety and about 20x underreporting vs. normally expected all-cause mortality among the vaccinated. I guess that's possible, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    I'm not sure I understand your math, but do keep in mind this all tongue in cheek.
    I was trying to determine what the expected number of deaths would be based on U.S. mortality figures over a two day period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    what a looker eh?

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    I think the combination of that just killed any boner I might have even thought about getting today.

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    Blerg... you guys are making my head spin with all these calculations. Just to be clear...... are you pro or con on this jab=death thing? I try to be open minded because there have been times in history where people sounded the alarm and it turned out they were right but on this one I'm inclined to believe that the long view will show the vax was/is safe.
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    The vaccines are very very safe.

    Jono's joke is meant to illustrate just how safe they are by pointing out even if we take VAERS deaths at face value the numbers pale in comparison to the normal background risk or normal death rate in America.

    Add to that the unreliability and known limitations of VAERS and the vaccines look even safer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Blerg... you guys are making my head spin with all these calculations. Just to be clear...... are you pro or con on this jab=death thing? I try to be open minded because there have been times in history where people sounded the alarm and it turned out they were right but on this one I'm inclined to believe that the long view will show the vax was/is safe.
    The VAERS data indicates the shots are safe. There's no question of that. Then it becomes just a matter of whether or not you believe the data. If you're an anti-vaxxer you could say the numbers seem unnaturally low. As a pro-vaxxer I'd say there are likely reason for this (e.g. not all deaths occurring after vaccinations are being reported).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    what a looker eh?

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    Is that Green with her natural color or Boebert without her glasses??
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    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    historicaly the people who all got a jab for whatever reasons have been in grade 6 and just now covid is approved for use by kids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
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    0.0/10, would not bang


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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    The VAERS data indicates the shots are safe. There's no question of that. Then it becomes just a matter of whether or not you believe the data. If you're an anti-vaxxer you could say the numbers seem unnaturally low. As a pro-vaxxer I'd say there are likely reason for this (e.g. not all deaths occurring after vaccinations are being reported).
    I get what you're saying but arguably even your description is lending too much credence to the antivax narrative. Apart from 3 suspect deaths attributed to the J & J vaccine, there have been zero other abnormal or unexpected deaths following vaccination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Blerg... you guys are making my head spin with all these calculations. Just to be clear...... are you pro or con on this jab=death thing? I try to be open minded because there have been times in history where people sounded the alarm and it turned out they were right but on this one I'm inclined to believe that the long view will show the vax was/is safe.
    MV and AD are correct, the vaccines are extremely safe and obviously much safer than the disease, which would be the first goal. VAERS data is now being used to see if they can be made even safer yet.

    I expect that despite the EUA requirement to report any adverse event that a big majority of normal-looking deaths go unreported because whoever signs the death certificate didn't prescribe the vaccine and has no reason to ask the vax status of, say, a car accident victim. As a result the number of reported deaths is actually much lower than what the FDA would like to collect. Obviously that's different for people with a condition that doesn't kill them--you'd expect those people to mention being vaccinated when they go to a doctor/ER etc. Which is why no one is too worried about these people faking seizures for Instagram.

    It's worth noting that the requirement to report everything (even events with no suspected connection to the vaccine) is only for EUA, the rate of reports may fall off precipitously with "full" approval. (Or the Q crowd will get better at trying to actively screw the system up, in which case there could be even more.)

    Obviously this whole thing is totally disconnected from the actual purpose of VAERS, which is (at least mainly) to give a view of possible side effects in order to see what needs further research. Even rare side effects should get some attention, as happened with J&J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    I get what you're saying but arguably even your description is lending too much credence to the antivax narrative. Apart from 3 suspect deaths attributed to the J & J vaccine, there have been zero other abnormal or unexpected deaths following vaccination.
    Right, I'm just trying to guess where they'd go with this data. I'm positive they would say the numbers are too low and that suggests a coverup. That's how a conspiracy theorist would think.

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    A Texas restaurant owner threw out a family wearing masks who were trying to protect their immunocompromised son

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