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  1. #12901
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    I think people were commenting on the politicians that run ďTexas of the northĒ - you know itís a land of oil and gas and cows and the furthest right views of the country right? And that those right wing politicians were elected by a majority of peopleÖand those politicians have failed miserably. Didnít realize they were free from criticism in this thread cause they ainít merican.

    And the vaccine mandate has tripled demand for vaccines - since someone in here was asking for an idea about how mandates might affect vaccine acceptance.

    Seemed like a good example since it just happened. Sorry that upset you so much.

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    I'm not upset. I'm not going to ask you to re-read anything, but that post requires a very sarcastic voice. For example, the request for stock tips was actually Not unrelated: I think Canada is going to come through this better than many and I'll be stoked if our northern neighbor manages to become the shining example of what can be done. I think they will.

    I don't think anyone would argue that mandates don't have the intended effect in the short run. That's obvious even to their detractors (though many of those are hyperbolists, so who knows). I've pointed out that there is also an honest argument that in the long run we might have less people vaccinated that way. Stats on mandates where mandates are politically feasible suffer from selection bias, so save yourself the trouble on that. We're going to do better as a nation, but there will be exceptions, and it's not hard to predict where those are.

    Personally, I think the nature of exponential growth likely overrides the long term concern (more sooner is better), but I see room for improvement: changing the conversation while we're still paying for their ICU beds and giving their employers tax credits for covering their time off for disease is pretty short-sighted. We should have ended that shit at least a month ago, probably 3. The sudden move to the last possible tool in the arsenal is suboptimal--especially while the other tools still go unused. But here we are.

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    Hereís a little insight into the Cray cray out there. The rebutal to refutation of this nonsense is ďyouíre so close mindedĒ. So ya, Iím all for mandates because these folk ainít coming around on their own ever.

    ďWhose listening to the info that is surfacing? Pfizer booster rejected by FDA.
    The risks far outweigh benefits for children.
    1,000 percent increase in adverse events in 2021.
    Highly vaccinated countries are spreading the variants.
    People receiving the V being found to have clotting in the blood at higher rates.
    Natural immunity is the best immunity.

    Look it all up yourself.
    Still want to call the UnV'd horse pill popping killers?

    🤷♀️How about starting to look at those surviving C with early therapies? Never ever see the hospital? Are you hearing about the thousands and thousands of those stories?
    🤷♀️How about looking at hospital protocols that may be the very cause of death. Have you heard of the stories of people once in the hospital being denied the therapies they request? Read about families who fought hard and got lawyers that forced doctors to give the treatments. Those patients are alive today.
    🤷♀️ 70% of deaths in the UK are those who have been double V'd.
    🤷♀️ Study out of Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. They had 69 health care workers they locked down and confined to their facility. All double V'd. The health care workers ended up passing the virus to each other. More importantly, the research published by Lancet showed the health care workers had 251 times the viral load for Delta. 251 times.

    I do not judge you for making the choice to V. Just know those currently V'd were V'd against the original Wuhan Variant. That variant is long gone. The new variants continue to mutate and the old V will fail. Each shot has those receiving it carrying higher and higher viral loads.

    Do not judge me for avoiding a V that has not been safety tested, gone through animal trials, or had any clinical trial complete.

    STOP JUDGING.

    And to those in high places in Government: How can you force ANYONE to be injected with something with a side effect of death?
    14,000 souls dead.
    600,000 souls dealing with adverse V injuries.
    And they say these stats are only 1%-10% of those being reported.

    You sit looking down on others who don't want to put this chemical in their body when the clinical trials aren't even complete? You want to force me to get my child V'd when the FDA has finally admitted she has a 14 times higher chance of developing myocarditis? Yet a 99.9999% survival rate if he gets the C?

    You want to call me selfish?
    Tell me to do my part?
    Do the right thing?

    I find it selfish to coerce people into injecting themselves with something that may harm them. Or harm their children. (It is being found 1 in 9 children are having adverse vaccine injuries) If some V injury occurs to me or my family, whose responsible?? The BIG Pharma companies who have already made billions off the V? I find it selfish of people to think it's okay to take away the livelihood of others because they do not want to spread COVID by getting the V and carrying higher viral loads and passing it on to others unaware. I find it selfish to keep pushing something that is not working. I find it selfish we have a government hiding the truth from its people. I find it selfish those in power are trying so hard to hide the early therapies that are saving lives. For $$$$$$$$$.

    Those with natural immunity do not create the variants and are not getting C twice.

    I just finished listening to yet another Epidemologist out of Canada. His perspective and findings are similar to what I have written.

    I am on repeat. Time is going to keep surfacing more studies and information. More doctors are seeing the realities and keeping their oaths to "Do No Harm". Thank you to all the nurses doing the same. Many in the health field are quitting because they are being forced to get víd

    And thatís all I have to say.
    God bless ď

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Hereís a little insight into the Cray cray out there. The rebutal to refutation of this nonsense is ďyouíre so close mindedĒ. So ya, Iím all for mandates because these folk ainít coming around on their own ever.
    Depressing. Don't overestimate the loudest voices, though. The right-wing scare mongers are winning with that: their audience is terrified of all the famous boogey men. We're not going to force many of the people who are writing that nonsense. Here's a look at how Bret Weinstein makes his money. A mandate will have no effect on a whole class of people who will just check out like this and carry on with the persecution complex, now with extra crazy.

    https://www.wweek.com/news/2021/09/1...or-ivermectin/

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    You said Alberta is at 80% vaxxed

    since the introduction of the mandate the demand for vaccination appointments has tripled

    seems like a very quick way to get that 80 up over 90.

    you think that without the mandates that would still happen ever? No way.

    The remaining 5-10% would rather die in an ICU believing with their last thought that covid is a hoax and that instead they died of pneumonia or doctor error for not giving enough invermectin and HCQ and azithromycin - they ain't getting the vaccine.

    A lot of these politicians shit the bed and now hospitals are self destructing and patients are being sent all over the place for any empty ICU bed while cancer surgeries are postponed. The leaders fucked up - a mandate is needed to turn this ship around.

    The 80% got it because they trusted it and wanted it. I'm ok with the next 10% getting it because they want to go to work or to the bar to watch football.

    Save the pie in the sky hand holding solutions for the remaining 10%. But don't hold your breath.

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    Once you get to 80% mandates become either obvious or irrelevant, depending on rate at the time. My point was that the demographics and political reality anywhere that hit 80% without a mandate are very different from a place that stalls at 50%. Texas has a growing number of people blowing off the second shot now. It would be nice to think they were just going for a longer interval, but do you expect that?

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    Better get vaxxed if you live in Idaho:

    Idaho Is Rationing Health Care Statewide As It Struggles To Cope With COVID-19

    Idaho is one of the least vaccinated U.S. states, with only about 40% of its residents fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Only Wyoming and West Virginia have lower vaccination rates.
    Crisis care standards mean that scarce resources such as ICU beds will be allotted to the patients most likely to survive. Other patients will be treated with less effective methods or, in dire cases, given pain relief and other palliative care.
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    Thoughts and prayers to the brave frontier people! You can weather this with superior natural immunity and horse dewormer.

    4th wave in Europe has started subsiding without further lockdowns. Hospitals are working at normal levels. Vaccines work. Germany still has a higher level of idiots than most other EU states according to the statistics. (Vax rates are lower)
    Which bugs me on a patriotic football team kind of level
    But according to some rki (our cdc) survey actual vaccination rates could be higher because of data mistakes (I mean some county health departments use fax machines to transmit data. In 2021?)
    It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Once you get to 80% mandates become either obvious or irrelevant, depending on rate at the time. My point was that the demographics and political reality anywhere that hit 80% without a mandate are very different from a place that stalls at 50%. Texas has a growing number of people blowing off the second shot now. It would be nice to think they were just going for a longer interval, but do you expect that?
    I'm in one of the most vaxxed counties and we're only at 70% (83% of eligible). We have an indoor mask mandate and recommendations for outdoors, distancing, notification, tracing, travel, etc. Some regional counties have vaccine passports. Cases are falling gradually, still 10x higher than three months ago. People are more careful here. If we went back to normal, I expect Covid would surge. So I don't think a mandate becomes irrelevant at 80% vaxxed. Maybe at 90%

    As for mandates, I agree that politically, mandates will be tough, especially in more resistant areas. A mandate means little if no one enforces it. If few people like the policy, there won't be much enforcement. See speed limits everywhere not named Seatlle.

    If/when it becomes clear that highly vaxxed areas have very few cases and very few restrictions, that will draw attention and support. Some people will refuse to see the obvious, but enough will support mandates. The mandate will save those caught in social media bubbles. Not everywhere is there yet.

    I remember when no one wanted seatbelts. Then no one wanted shoulder belts. Then SRS was hated. Now everyone wears seatbelts, has a strong rollover safety cage, 15 airbags, a stability program, and a computer backseat driving. We adapted.

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    Alberta vaccine data:

    As of September 16:
    5,754,307 doses administered
    80.1% of Albertans 12+ with at least 1 dose
    71.8% of Albertans 12+ fully vaccinated

    Get your shots and you may even win a chance to kill an animal!

    Vaccine incentives

    $100 Debit Card
    Get vaccinated to get a $100 debit card!
    Who's eligible: Albertans 18 or older who got their first or second dose of an approved COVID-19 vaccine between September 3 and October 14, 2021.
    How to register: After vaccination, register online at alberta.ca/VaccineDebitCard by October 14 at 11:59 pm.
    How to claim: $100 debit cards will be delivered to you. Everyone who is registered and has a valid vaccination will receive a debit card.

    Alberta's Vaccine Lottery
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    Who's eligible: Alberta residents 18 and older who have had 2 doses of an approved COVID-19 vaccine.
    How to register: Enter online at alberta.ca/Lottery by September 23 at 11:59 pm.
    How to claim: Winner will be contacted by September 30, 2021.


    Outdoor Adventure Vaccine Lottery
    Get vaccinated for a chance to win premiere hunting, fishing or camping experiences!
    Who's eligible: Alberta residents 18 and older with 2 doses of an approved COVID-19 vaccine.
    How to register: The alberta.ca/OutdoorLottery closed September 9 at 11:59 pm.
    How to claim: Verified winners will be contacted with instructions on how to claim their prize.

    https://www.alberta.ca/covid19-vaccine.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    The vax works. My 90yo mother had as breakthrough case two weeks ago and was able to weather the storm at home with no special care. She basically had the flu thanks to being vaxxed.

    She has lost her sense of taste and smell and experienced Covid toes.

    I have no doubt without the vax she would be dead due to age and underlying health issues.

    I saw her yesterday and she was up and walking around.

    Good genes in that branch of the family. Her mother lived to 103 and her grandmother 104.
    Glad to hear this KQ.


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    We got that measles under control...eh...

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/17/p...ses/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    I'm in one of the most vaxxed counties and we're only at 70% (83% of eligible). We have an indoor mask mandate and recommendations for outdoors, distancing, notification, tracing, travel, etc. Some regional counties have vaccine passports. Cases are falling gradually, still 10x higher than three months ago. People are more careful here. If we went back to normal, I expect Covid would surge. So I don't think a mandate becomes irrelevant at 80% vaxxed. Maybe at 90%

    As for mandates, I agree that politically, mandates will be tough, especially in more resistant areas. A mandate means little if no one enforces it. If few people like the policy, there won't be much enforcement. See speed limits everywhere not named Seatlle.

    If/when it becomes clear that highly vaxxed areas have very few cases and very few restrictions, that will draw attention and support. Some people will refuse to see the obvious, but enough will support mandates. The mandate will save those caught in social media bubbles. Not everywhere is there yet.

    I remember when no one wanted seatbelts. Then no one wanted shoulder belts. Then SRS was hated. Now everyone wears seatbelts, has a strong rollover safety cage, 15 airbags, a stability program, and a computer backseat driving. We adapted.
    I also have ~90% as a rough threshold for meaningful immunity. To be clear, by "rate" I meant the rate at which vaccines are being administered when you get around 80%: if things get very slow around there it's time for more mandates because you have a strong majority showing support, personal examples etc. and getting half of the rest onboard should be easy that way. If you get to 80% and people are still filling the appointments then mandates aren't relevant. Guesswork, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Hereís a little insight into the Cray cray out there. The rebutal to refutation of this nonsense is ďyouíre so close mindedĒ. So ya, Iím all for mandates because these folk ainít coming around on their own ever.

    ďWhose listening to the info that is surfacing? Pfizer booster rejected by FDA.
    The risks far outweigh benefits for children.
    1,000 percent increase in adverse events in 2021.
    Highly vaccinated countries are spreading the variants.
    People receiving the V being found to have clotting in the blood at higher rates.
    Natural immunity is the best immunity.

    Look it all up yourself.
    Still want to call the UnV'd horse pill popping killers?

    🤷♀️How about starting to look at those surviving C with early therapies? Never ever see the hospital? Are you hearing about the thousands and thousands of those stories?
    🤷♀️How about looking at hospital protocols that may be the very cause of death. Have you heard of the stories of people once in the hospital being denied the therapies they request? Read about families who fought hard and got lawyers that forced doctors to give the treatments. Those patients are alive today.
    🤷♀️ 70% of deaths in the UK are those who have been double V'd.
    🤷♀️ Study out of Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. They had 69 health care workers they locked down and confined to their facility. All double V'd. The health care workers ended up passing the virus to each other. More importantly, the research published by Lancet showed the health care workers had 251 times the viral load for Delta. 251 times.

    I do not judge you for making the choice to V. Just know those currently V'd were V'd against the original Wuhan Variant. That variant is long gone. The new variants continue to mutate and the old V will fail. Each shot has those receiving it carrying higher and higher viral loads.

    Do not judge me for avoiding a V that has not been safety tested, gone through animal trials, or had any clinical trial complete.

    STOP JUDGING.

    And to those in high places in Government: How can you force ANYONE to be injected with something with a side effect of death?
    14,000 souls dead.
    600,000 souls dealing with adverse V injuries.
    And they say these stats are only 1%-10% of those being reported.

    You sit looking down on others who don't want to put this chemical in their body when the clinical trials aren't even complete? You want to force me to get my child V'd when the FDA has finally admitted she has a 14 times higher chance of developing myocarditis? Yet a 99.9999% survival rate if he gets the C?

    You want to call me selfish?
    Tell me to do my part?
    Do the right thing?

    I find it selfish to coerce people into injecting themselves with something that may harm them. Or harm their children. (It is being found 1 in 9 children are having adverse vaccine injuries) If some V injury occurs to me or my family, whose responsible?? The BIG Pharma companies who have already made billions off the V? I find it selfish of people to think it's okay to take away the livelihood of others because they do not want to spread COVID by getting the V and carrying higher viral loads and passing it on to others unaware. I find it selfish to keep pushing something that is not working. I find it selfish we have a government hiding the truth from its people. I find it selfish those in power are trying so hard to hide the early therapies that are saving lives. For $$$$$$$$$.

    Those with natural immunity do not create the variants and are not getting C twice.

    I just finished listening to yet another Epidemologist out of Canada. His perspective and findings are similar to what I have written.

    I am on repeat. Time is going to keep surfacing more studies and information. More doctors are seeing the realities and keeping their oaths to "Do No Harm". Thank you to all the nurses doing the same. Many in the health field are quitting because they are being forced to get víd

    And thatís all I have to say.
    God bless ď
    Go away dipshit, I donít know a single doctor that agrees with what you post and I work with them every day. All specialties, probably close to 100 on a first name basis. None of them think the vaccines donít work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Go away dipshit, I donít know a single doctor that agrees with what you post and I work with them every day. All specialties, probably close to 100 on a first name basis. None of them think the vaccines donít work.
    Note the use of quotation marks. Not his opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    We got that measles under control...eh...

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/17/p...ses/index.html

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    Are we having an outbreak? Is measles endemic in the US? I havenít heard about a current measles pandemic. I did read about some people from Afghanistan that tested positive for measles, Iím assuming that they didnít get their MMR vaccine. Fortunately most people in the US have. Iím not sure what youíre getting atÖehÖ


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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Note the use of quotation marks. Not his opinion.
    Okay, great. Doesnít seem that clear to me. I donít like seeing misinformation posted, even like that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn View Post
    Okay, great. Doesn’t seem that clear to me. I don’t like seeing misinformation posted, even like that.


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    It was kinda unclear about the quoting to myself at first as well. I had to go back and look again to make sure it wasn’t his own statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetzen View Post
    It was kinda unclear about the quoting to myself at first as well. I had to go back and look again to make sure it wasn’t his own statement.
    Isn't that his point? post something to get a reaction because he gets off on it?
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Huh? I thought his opening paragraph made it fairly clear? And I'm not even a native speaker...
    It's a war of the mind and we're armed to the teeth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subtle plague View Post
    Huh? I thought his opening paragraph made it fairly clear? And I'm not even a native speaker...
    My bad, I was looking at the skidog post. yeah, mcski was just giving an example of some idiocy
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by subtle plague View Post
    Huh? I thought his opening paragraph made it fairly clear? And I'm not even a native speaker...
    That's your advantage. You actually read every word and consider its meaning.

    We're a lot closer to this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    That's your advantage. You actually read every word and consider its meaning.

    We're a lot closer to this
    I reread it and I get it now but it didnít seem clear to me at first. My bad. Sorry mcski


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    On AB. Yes its interesting that a passport ( which is a 180 reverse for Kenny AB Premier) caused such an up tick. Will have to see or be interesting to see what affect it has intermediate term , compare rate 1 week before passport to 4 weeks after. Did it really move the needle? Maybe need lots of things spaced 3-4 weeks apart because it doesn't seem that case counts /ICU etc move the needle.

    Yes its the most American province by attitude but in reality it probably lines up with the best of the states in vax rate and in deaths cumulative is actually lower than the national average. Helped a lot by the fact it totally missed the first wave that hit Que and Ont. Its tole is 57 per 100,000 whereas the national average is 72. US rate is 200 per 100k. This is not to say don't criticize AB as its way better than US. But to point out that headlines are often misleading. Yes AB admitted it made a mistake with the total opening up but when AB fills up its ICU beds it started with alot fewer beds per capita than the US. Same with India, that was 8 weeks ago huge crisis in India, if you look back at that wave it was tiny in comparison. Its peak is 1/2 of the current rate in US.

    I was hopeful on AB strategy would work as at some point it has to end, but I didn't think they had the vax rate to really support that approach. They didn't and it failed. Which means that the vax rate really has to hit 90? or have a lots of ICU beds.
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