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  1. #21476
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiJ View Post
    conversationally, guys ,
    while our out-of-pocket cost is zero,
    I believe it is going to be staggering when the bill for covid comes-due -

    five Trillion over the last two years in usofa ( and still rising. including the "stimulus" )

    it's not free.


    skiJ
    Yeah, of course, I meant free to order. The total cost of the pandemic is, like you say, staggering, and we are starting to see some of the unintended consequences in inflation and rising interest rates to try to combat that which may very well lead to market corrections and recession. Will have to see how that all plays out.

    However, I think the cost of the tests are minimal in the grand scheme of things and a great use of public funds, as were the costs of the vaccines and their development. This is exactly what public funds should be used for. Millions for renovating the Presidio golf course was probably harder to justify as covid relief.

    At the risk of turning this into a full fledged polyass shitstorm, maybe we can leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyk View Post
    Yeah, of course, I meant free to order. The total cost of the pandemic is, like you say, staggering, and we are starting to see some of the unintended consequences in inflation and rising interest rates to try to combat that which may very well lead to market corrections and recession. Will have to see how that all plays out.

    However, I think the cost of the tests are minimal in the grand scheme of things and a great use of public funds, as were the costs of the vaccines and their development. This is exactly what public funds should be used for. Millions for renovating the Presidio golf course was probably harder to justify as covid relief.

    At the risk of turning this into a full fledged polyass shitstorm, maybe we can leave it at that.
    Yep, huge amount being spent to counter the pandemic - and not always ideally - but very likely that not doing that would have had much greater costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Yep, huge amount being spent to counter the pandemic - and not always ideally - but very likely that not doing that would have had much greater costs.
    QFT

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Y’all are aware that the rapid antigen tests are showing positive typically several days after symptom onset, there supposedly is a timeframe (that can be for several days) of being infectious but not yet testing positive on an antigen test, and that for many(?) that take paxovid, they are experiencing a rebound? There’s also the scenario of a vaxed person being exposed, developing symptoms (which is their immune response), symptoms resolving, and never becoming infectious. The description of the paxovid rebound that I’ve read is that the patient will test negative after finishing their 5-day tx, will develop symptoms a few days later, and will get positive again with an antigen test, indicating that they are still infectious.

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    If you're in Washington you can order 10 antigen tests a month in addition to USPS https://sayyeshometest.org/

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    So in spite of everyone being double boosted and extensive testing requirements, The White House Correspondent's Dinner has turned out to be a super spreader event. Jonathan Carl is sick with COVID, the Secretary of State has it, along with dozens of people representing pretty much all the various news agencies.
    Indoors in tight spaces around non family for more than a few minutes tonight. Thinking I'll be wearing a good mask for that event..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    Y’all are aware that the rapid antigen tests are showing positive typically several days after symptom onset, there supposedly is a timeframe (that can be for several days) of being infectious but not yet testing positive on an antigen test, and that for many(?) that take paxovid, they are experiencing a rebound? There’s also the scenario of a vaxed person being exposed, developing symptoms (which is their immune response), symptoms resolving, and never becoming infectious. The description of the paxovid rebound that I’ve read is that the patient will test negative after finishing their 5-day tx, will develop symptoms a few days later, and will get positive again with an antigen test, indicating that they are still infectious.
    Going back to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Charts are whack anyway, these newer 2022 viruses are <5min for sure.
    If it takes less to be contagious now, how valuable is a negative test result in terms of confirming (at least) a non-contagious status? @Mofro261, this is right in your wheelhouse, correct?

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    I read high value to confirm that one is no longer infectious.

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    Extended school closings bad actually?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/b...ning-loss.html

    Also compounded by the fact that most legislators are rich and send their kids to private schools which mostly opened in fall 2020.

    Quotes:
    The Covid closures have reversed much of that progress, at least for now. Low-income students, as well as Black and Latino students, fell further behind over the past two years, relative to students who are high-income, white or Asian. “This will probably be the largest increase in educational inequity in a generation,” Thomas Kane, an author of the Harvard study, told me....

    Together, these factors mean that school closures were what economists call a regressive policy, widening inequality by doing the most harm to groups that were already vulnerable...

    Were many of these problems avoidable? The evidence suggests that they were. Extended school closures appear to have done much more harm than good, and many school administrators probably could have recognized as much by the fall of 2020.
    In places where schools reopened that summer and fall, the spread of Covid was not noticeably worse than in places where schools remained closed. Schools also reopened in parts of Europe without seeming to spark outbreaks.

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    Update on reaction to double vax of Covid #4 and Shingrix #2 at same time

    Shots were 1000 Tuesday
    At about 2000 I started downhill, by 2200 I had all the major reactions.

    Felt like shit all day yesterday but OK this AM.
    Intensity of reaction was no worse than either Covid #3 or Shingrix #1 taken two mos apart.
    Duration of reaction was shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoooR View Post
    Extended school closings bad actually?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/b...ning-loss.html

    Also compounded by the fact that most legislators are rich and send their kids to private schools which mostly opened in fall 2020.

    Quotes:
    The Covid closures have reversed much of that progress, at least for now. Low-income students, as well as Black and Latino students, fell further behind over the past two years, relative to students who are high-income, white or Asian. “This will probably be the largest increase in educational inequity in a generation,” Thomas Kane, an author of the Harvard study, told me....

    Together, these factors mean that school closures were what economists call a regressive policy, widening inequality by doing the most harm to groups that were already vulnerable...

    Were many of these problems avoidable? The evidence suggests that they were. Extended school closures appear to have done much more harm than good, and many school administrators probably could have recognized as much by the fall of 2020.
    In places where schools reopened that summer and fall, the spread of Covid was not noticeably worse than in places where schools remained closed. Schools also reopened in parts of Europe without seeming to spark outbreaks.
    Covid is a "regressive policy" as well.
    Pandemics have consequences, and like the consequences of anything, the vulnerable are hurt worse. Some covid policies will turn out to have been good, some mistaken, some ridiculous (closing parks, telling people not to leave the county or drive more than 30 miles). In retrospect. Authorities made the best judgements they could based on limited knowledge of a novel virus. For every potential policy, enacted or not, you could find experts for and against.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Covid is a "regressive policy" as well.
    Pandemics have consequences
    Good point.


    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Authorities made the best judgements they could based on limited knowledge of a novel virus. For every potential policy, enacted or not, you could find experts for and against.
    Another good point.





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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Covid is a "regressive policy" as well.
    Pandemics have consequences, and like the consequences of anything, the vulnerable are hurt worse. Some covid policies will turn out to have been good, some mistaken, some ridiculous (closing parks, telling people not to leave the county or drive more than 30 miles). In retrospect. Authorities made the best judgements they could based on limited knowledge of a novel virus. For every potential policy, enacted or not, you could find experts for and against.
    Hopefully we have collectively learned something from the whole experience.

    I'm not going to hold my breath, though.

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    IDK, I see a lot of questioning about recent decisions by authorities. Like the whole “prevention” part of the CDCs title. The continual ramping down in surveillance and funding, the continually fucked up and confusing messaging, the lack of supporting science in supposedly science-based policy, the infighting about the definition of “aerosol” that stagnated policy and public re-education, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Going back to this:



    If it takes less to be contagious now, how valuable is a negative test result in terms of confirming (at least) a non-contagious status? @Mofro261, this is right in your wheelhouse, correct?
    A negative Ag after a positive /symptomatic infection is a good correlate to no longer transmissible. A negative without a pos or symptoms gives you a result for that time point only, and can miss pre-symptomatic or asym. early Infections during day 0-3.

    Was sneezing a bit yesterday, stuffy last night but nothing that felt like real sickness and more like allergies. Dammit tested pos at work this morning.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    A negative Ag after a positive /symptomatic infection is a good correlate to no longer transmissible. A negative without a pos or symptoms gives you a result for that time point only, and can miss pre-symptomatic or asym. early Infections during day 0-3.

    Was sneezing a bit yesterday, stuffy last night but nothing that felt like real sickness and more like allergies. Dammit tested pos at work this morning.
    Bummer mofro.

    Maybe the missus and I did have covid a couple weeks ago? No sore throat or classic symptoms (had a very wet cough, no headache, no chest tightness, but sneezing and gushing snot), at home test (iHealth COVID-19 Antigen Rapid Test) was negative twice.
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    I'm probably gonna get in trouble for this. Am I the only one who hears "Shingrix" as if it was written by someone speaking Engrish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Good point.




    Another good point.

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    +2 with goat.

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    Good luck, Mofro ! skiJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Bummer mofro.

    Maybe the missus and I did have covid a couple weeks ago? No sore throat or classic symptoms (had a very wet cough, no headache, no chest tightness, but sneezing and gushing snot), at home test (iHealth COVID-19 Antigen Rapid Test) was negative twice.
    Seeing a LOT of upper respiratory past 5 weeks covid negative on rapid and PCR in Montana. Other bugs out there. If you're on the east coast, well, different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    Seeing a LOT of upper respiratory past 5 weeks covid negative on rapid and PCR in Montana. Other bugs out there. If you're on the east coast, well, different story.
    With the general decision that "it's over," it isn't surprising to see all the "normal" bugs come back. While masking and distancing etc were only partly successful against covid, it devastated most other diseases.

    3 positive tests so far from a weekend bbq. I stayed outside, and negative so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongShortLong View Post
    …While masking and distancing etc were only partly successful against covid, it devastated most other diseases…
    Because people were willing to mask and distance for other diseases, but not covid?
    ... jfost is really ignorant, he often just needs simple facts laid out for him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfost View Post
    Because people were willing to mask and distance for other diseases, but not covid?
    Of course, doncha remember, "Its no worse than the flu".

    https://www.google.com/search?client...e+than+the+flu
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trackhead View Post
    Seeing a LOT of upper respiratory past 5 weeks covid negative on rapid and PCR in Montana. Other bugs out there. If you're on the east coast, well, different story.
    warshingtun, thought you'd know.
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    You moved to D.C.?

    Good luck Mofro!

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