To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[wooley12]

So according to my wife's cousins FB posts, if you want to enjoy the biggest schnitzel in Germany you have to be vaxed fully and prove it at the door. And if you're not vaxed you have to order to go and stay home.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

The fact that you guys track post counts like it is important is strange and pathetic. It’s actually quite sad that your life revolves around an Internet forum. Carry on.

I don’t pay any attention to post counts, can’t tell you what mine is. Someone here brought up that anomaly with DOD, so I looked. His post count was zero in spite of making several posts. I thought that was curious.

I’m posting here between surgeries, my life doesn’t revolve around an Internet forum. What’s sad is that you and your family got vaccinated and had breakthrough infections but didn’t get very very sick but you don’t think vaccines work. You’re too stupid to understand any of this but really you’re a worthless troll akin to Skidog.


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[The AD]

Another disingenuous talking point is the ‘well we are totally reasonable folks who would just like to see effective treatments developed rather than a focus on vaccines’. This particular piece of stupidity requires one to actively ignore that medical research pretty much always looks at prevention vs treatment options, and generally science rejoices when preventative or mitigation measures can be found (eg vaccines) since they are typically so much cheaper and/or more feasible to administer across populations and regional economies incl developing world.

Aside from that we're talking about a contagious disease here. You want as few people to get the diseases as possible because that means less spread. Statistics have shown that vaccines reduce transmission of Covid significantly.

[old goat]

Buster - My main concerns are vax mandates / covid passports / lockdowns and the negative consequences of them. Second, I just don't think it's possible to vax our way out of covid so I would prefer the focus to shift to other methods of prevention, and treatment when prevention fails.

The only negative effects of vaccine mandates and passports are on and because of the people who refuse to follow them The ONLY negative effects. Lockdowns are another story, but if people all get vaccinated and wear masks in appropriate settings we don't need lockdowns.

I’m posting here between surgeries, my life doesn’t revolve around an Internet forum.

Why aren't you eating cold soggy leftover french fries and 3 day old pieces of donuts in the OR lounge like you're supposed to be doing?

[bennymac]

The fact that you guys track post counts like it is important is strange and pathetic. It’s actually quite sad that your life revolves around an Internet forum. Carry on.

You don’t sound satisfied. Maybe carryon yourself to another corner of the internet. Or stick around because you can’t quit us. We complete you.

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Now that Dud’s dud posts have been torn apart can we get back to expert level discussion - at least until the next round of “random troll tries to play dumb and repeats question from months ago”?

[RShea]

MagnificentUnicorn and others with the medical field background. Wondering about comments for either of the 2 mRNA US vaccines boost after the single J&J back in the spring and if there really are any notable reasons to get one over the other or just schedule at a site and take what they have available.

Thinking most may have a day after the shot to set aside with possible reaction like headache, body pains, etc. so would like to do that in the next week or so and probably go for a Friday or weekend time slot.

Google shows a WSJ article behind paywall and then some British Med articles as the top results with Astrazeneca discussions.

Moderna mRNA or Pfizer mRNA is what I am leaning toward over another J&J (which I would have maybe done shortly after the first shot if it was not set up at first as a one and done.)

[snoqpass]

Big surprise here...people letting politics take them down the path of stupidity
https://apple.news/A6LdAubdkRfGMbVmnYuca7g

[snoqpass]

People should get vaccinated and seriously consider getting a booster, I got a booster and the only side effect was a little soreness at the injection site

[teledad]

MagnificentUnicorn and others with the medical field background. Wondering about comments for either of the 2 mRNA US vaccines boost after the single J&J back in the spring and if there really are any notable reasons to get one over the other or just schedule at a site and take what they have available.

[Tri-Ungulate]

he posts then deletes his posts so it stays at zero (shrug)

Yeah, it's pretty fucking weird that he'd go through the trouble.

Double weird since all he has is boilerplate alt-right COVID misinformation shitposting.

Personally not a hudge fan of trollbans, but this dude is especially egregious and IMO needs to be gone.

Especially since he's been here as a multi-alias repeat offender as FullStack and/or Ow My Balls.

It's a UNIBONGER kinda situation where you just gotta squelch that shit otherwise the shitstain keeps spreading and ruining the rug that ties the room together.

[Summer]

Why aren't you eating cold soggy leftover french fries and 3 day old pieces of donuts in the OR lounge like you're supposed to be doing?

There was a discussion on baked potatoes a few pages back that was getting pretty good.

In other news, Pfizer getting approved for 5-11 year olds for the lil' gulagites. Moderna not far behind for 6-11. Boosters approved for all 6 months from second dose. Now we get to play the game of what happens when you actually get the majority of your population to theoretical herd immunity levels in a relatively short amount of time.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

MagnificentUnicorn and others with the medical field background. Wondering about comments for either of the 2 mRNA US vaccines boost after the single J&J back in the spring and if there really are any notable reasons to get one over the other or just schedule at a site and take what they have available.

Thinking most may have a day after the shot to set aside with possible reaction like headache, body pains, etc. so would like to do that in the next week or so and probably go for a Friday or weekend time slot.

Google shows a WSJ article behind paywall and then some British Med articles as the top results with Astrazeneca discussions.

Moderna mRNA or Pfizer mRNA is what I am leaning toward over another J&J (which I would have maybe done shortly after the first shot if it was not set up at first as a one and done.)

Look, I’m not an expert. I work in a hospital and talk with really smart people all the time. I’m reporting what happens in the real world it’s not the news.

As far as your booster, from what I’ve gleaned, just get one of the mRNA vaccines. Statistically it sounds like it doesn’t really matter which one. I’ve read and discussed this with many physicians, ICU doctors, our infectious disease doctor and basically every physician that I work with daily. Don’t sweat it, get what’s available and you’ll be well protected.


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[Kinnikinnick]

Big surprise here...people letting politics take them down the path of stupidity
https://apple.news/A6LdAubdkRfGMbVmnYuca7g

“In October, the reddest tenth of the country saw death rates that were six times higher than the bluest tenth”


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[Name Redacted]

Big surprise here...people letting politics take them down the path of stupidity
https://apple.news/A6LdAubdkRfGMbVmnYuca7g

Almost posted that here yesterday but held off to avoid politicization, but if we are gonna go there....

Many years from now, I hope that the world will remember how fucking stupid these people are. I hope that it is well documented, widely discussed, and that it is widely accepted that these republican, anti-mask, anti vaccine, folks are among the dumbest motherfuckers to have ever walked the planet. When these unvaccinated people visit the hospital, they should be cared for, Hippocratic oath and all, but it should be in a unheated make-shift army tent with the Trump logo on it, just like his hotels, and they should be charged a royalty fee on their medical bill. Their graves should be marked with an asterisk or some kind of symbol to ensure that they are remembered for their idiocy well past their death, and their own family members can reflect on the shame and humiliation that this person has brought to their bloodline.

[SumJongGuy]

So it was a bad thing to quarantine small pox, measles, TB, etc?

Those vaccines that are REQUIRED for children to attend school and for adults to attend college were only allowed religious exemptions because the level of immunization and herd immunity in society is very strong. Without that there would be zero exemptions and folks who can't or won't simply couldn't go to school with other kids..

Whataboutism... ebola? Should people with ebola be banned from participating in society

[dunfree]

Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

We’ve had vaccine mandates in schools for decades and they were generally well received by people like you now opposed to them because of tribal political bullshit.

[Summit]

Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

The Libertarian adage is: Your right to swing your arm ends before my nose.

So, society has always reasonably placed some requirements on behavior to be part of a free society.

Even the Founding Fathers understood the need for public health measures such as quarantine and immunization (variolation), and the right of society to command such things from unwilling members.

Do you have the right to be drunk? Yes. In Public? If you do not disturb others. While driving? That is hazarding others.

I equate choosing to be unvaccinated with being drunk while driving. Yea you might make it home from the bar without hitting anyone. Or you might cause a multicar pileup. You are hazarding others, society, and yourself much more than if sober and society has decided to restrict your liberty to behave in such a manner so that they can be free and safe from such unjustifiable danger.

No man is an island when it comes to communicable disease.

[SumJongGuy]

Whattaboutism the military? Should they also not be given/mandated all these vaccines for stuff like anthrax before deployment/activation? Nobody was whining about all the additional vaccines the military has been mandated since... forever. Now all of a sudden it's all a huge violation of muh freedumbs? Support our troops doesn't gel well with sending them in to harm's way unprotected from these threats including COVID.. And stuff like the anthrax vax was also brand new when mandated for them so don't go there with untested or whatever..

Komrade DDD, do they also vax military and school kids in your motherland Russia?

[CarlMega]

Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.
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Hi. 'Fuck you'. Best health douchebag.

[old goat]

Get ready for measles, polio, etc make big comebacks in the USA. There are plenty of folks ready to make that the next battle. (State Senator Richard Pan who sponsored the no-exceptions school vaccine law in CA has been physically assaulted and repeatedly harassed, and that was before MAGA and Covid.)

[Buster Highmen]

This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.

At least he's not feigning an argument and has gotten down to his essential message when he recognizes another of his failures at debate. The only hope for Democracy lies in faith in the intelligence of the masses.

Now, how about freshening up some data regarding omicron vax resistance, communicability and severity?

[Twat]

I demaned right lights to be banned. It is a against my freedom to drive the way i want.

[bennymac]

Bottom line, I don't think anyone should be coerced or forced to inject something into their body so they can participate in 'society' or make you feel 'safe'.

This tgr lib mob reminds me of the kangaroo court in Idiocracy. Fortunately you're a relatively small group.

I'll let you all get back to your expert level circle jerk.

At least now you’re being clear instead of fake.

Maybe check the number of people that are for covid vaccine mandates (just like mandates that have existed for other infectious diseases) - I’ll give you a hint - it’s not a “relatively small group”

You’ve been participating in a society that has had vaccine mandates all along.

Bottom line: you have the right to your opinion. You have the right to not get the covid vaccine.

You don’t have the right to have your opinion and choices respected or coddled or worked around. Let that one sink in.

[Benny Profane]

Get ready for measles, polio, etc make big comebacks in the USA. There are plenty of folks ready to make that the next battle. (State Senator Richard Pan who sponsored the no-exceptions school vaccine law in CA has been physically assaulted and repeatedly harassed, and that was before MAGA and Covid.)

And that's not MAGA truck driving gun shooting bubbas and bubbetes, that's well off and educated suburban Moms and compliant Dads with wealthy and powerful celebrities supporting them, like Robert Kennedy's son.

[ex-powderbroker]

you would have flown out of the windshield 60 years ago. #vibes.