To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

[tgapp]

Much better after the antibody infusion. Lungs are still tight when I wake up, but after meds they feel mostly normal.

I felt like shit for a solid week. Can't imagine what it would have been like if I wasn't vaccinated.


I have to say, I pity the folks who aren't getting vaccinated. Whether you're latched on to some conspiracy theory, or compelled by a deep need to demonstrate some sociocultural affiliation, it's a steep price to pay. It's a fascinating, but depressing example of our human capacity to dismiss the obvious in a vain effort to preserve a fragile sense of self or belonging. I hope you fuckers don't die.

Fuck yeah ISBD!! Keep it up.

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[MagnificentUnicorn]

So, it's not possible? Bugs/features can crop up in lots of unsuspected ways.

It may be something else other than multiple user name changes within a short period.

I don’t know, I’m pretty tech illiterate


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[LongShortLong]

"Eradicating" is a red herring chowed upon by those not paying attention.

If eradication means treat like all the other diseases we wish were gone, I'm 100% in favor. We've all been vaccinated for a couple dozen, and there's more controlled by other inventions (border requirements, public health, etc). None of these are we likely to encounter in our lifetimes.

We could get rid of Covid fast. It remains my belief that the best approach to Covid mirrors that of AU, NZ, CN, etc. Eliminate it within the borders, and prevent it from entering. If the US, EU, and China were all behind this policy, the rest of the world would largely fall in line. Just like we do for say measles or polio, or did for SARS-1. Barring the political issues, Covid could be essentially gone from developed countries in 10 weeks.

Sorry to be outside the "echo chamber"

[Buster Highmen]

I don’t know, I’m pretty tech illiterate

Your jump to disclaimer shows that.

[Buster Highmen]

If eradication means treat like all the other diseases we wish were gone, I'm 100% in favor. We've all been vaccinated for a couple dozen, and there's more controlled by other inventions (border requirements, public health, etc). None of these are we likely to encounter in our lifetimes.

We could get rid of Covid fast. It remains my belief that the best approach to Covid mirrors that of AU, NZ, CN, etc. Eliminate it within the borders, and prevent it from entering. If the US, EU, and China were all behind this policy, the rest of the world would largely fall in line. Just like we do for say measles or polio, or did for SARS-1. Barring the political issues, Covid could be essentially gone from developed countries in 10 weeks.

Sorry to be outside the "echo chamber"

The measures of masking, vaxing, social distancing are not 100% effective in "eradicating" covid or any other disease.

This is exactly the rationale opponents of these mechanisms seize upon.
None of them have been represented that way from the start, when the maxim was and continues to be "flatten the curve".

If one reads the definition of "eradicate", virtually no serious disease has ever been eradicated.

Context.

[LongShortLong]

Sorry life isn't binary

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Your jump to disclaimer shows that.

Well it seems odd that someone shows up to only post this misinformation in just this thread with no other post history and his post count is zero after more than half a dozen posts.


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[Bunion 2020]

As was said above, eradication won't ever happen.

When we get to the point that our medical system is no longer being overwhelmed by outbreaks or surges then we will have learned to live with Covid.

When we get to the point that an outbreak of Covid is no longer news we will have eradicated Covid.

[dunfree]

If one reads the definition of "eradicate", virtually no serious disease has ever been eradicated.

Context.

as a practical matter several of them could have been effectively eradicated, alas antivaxxers ruined that hope (see: measles)

[Buster Highmen]

Sorry life isn't binary

Agreed.
It's a think fail.

[Buster Highmen]

Well it seems odd that someone shows up to only post this misinformation in just this thread with no other post history and his post count is zero after more than half a dozen posts.

This is why I'll never get in a self driving car.

[SumJongGuy]

Much better after the antibody infusion. Lungs are still tight when I wake up, but after meds they feel mostly normal.

I felt like shit for a solid week. Can't imagine what it would have been like if I wasn't vaccinated.


I have to say, I pity the folks who aren't getting vaccinated. Whether you're latched on to some conspiracy theory, or compelled by a deep need to demonstrate some sociocultural affiliation, it's a steep price to pay. It's a fascinating, but depressing example of our human capacity to dismiss the obvious in a vain effort to preserve a fragile sense of self or belonging. I hope you fuckers don't die.

FKNA!!! Really glad to hear you are going to be OK.

[SumJongGuy]

It's definitely tougher to "vax our way out of" a pandemic when people are sabotaging the efforts to educate the populace due to polyasshatted reasons. Mandates seem to be the only way to "encourage" the "resistant" to rejoin the rest of civilized society.

[bennymac]

Mandates have increased the number of people vaccinated - and this increased uptake took place many months after vaccines were available to working age adults.

Are mandates all we need? No. No one said that.

But mandates help. Along with other things we are doing (masks/distancing/testing) and some we are not yet doing (increasing promotion of healthy lifestyle as a preventative measure vs bad covid outcome etc)

[MagnificentUnicorn]

MagUni - If you really want to know, PM me. It's not that interesting and probably not worth the time it will take to read it. (It is slightly amusing to see people lose their shit over it, pontificate on possible causes, etc.)

Buster - My main concerns are vax mandates / covid passports / lockdowns and the negative consequences of them. Second, I just don't think it's possible to vax our way out of covid so I would prefer the focus to shift to other methods of prevention, and treatment when prevention fails.
We've talked past each other on a few different topics now and I'm chalking that up to different personalities, etc. I'll continue to think you're a smart guy and probably pretty nice in real life but will do my best to avoid pestering you in the future. Best wishes and I hope you have a great, healthy ski season.

skiJ - I gather you are a [retired] medical professional so your knowledge will obviously be much greater than mine especially for any in depth issues or area of specialty you have. We lay people can still follow the big picture though. Best health to you and yours.

You’re wrong about not being able to vax our way to “normalcy”. I work in a hospital and it’s the same everywhere, it’s the unvaccinated that are causing the stress on our system. The idea of suppressing a disease with vaccination so we don’t really have to worry anymore has been proven many times over in history. Your argument is political bullshit.

As far as why your post count remaining zero, why don’t you just tell us if it’s amusing?
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[frorider]

The frustrating thing about the anti vaxxers is how they lump together ‘ vax mandates / covid passports / lockdowns’. Denmark hit very high levels of vaccination and was able to avoid the lockdown Austria implemented. Right wing Facebook feeds feature the twisted logic of ‘we were told vaccinations would prevent lockdowns, but we successfully brainwashed enough idiots that vaccination rates never got high enough so now we can point to lockdowns or mask mandates as evidence of being misled when it’s actually just evidence of how we fucked things up for free society’.

Another disingenuous talking point is the ‘well we are totally reasonable folks who would just like to see effective treatments developed rather than a focus on vaccines’. This particular piece of stupidity requires one to actively ignore that medical research pretty much always looks at prevention vs treatment options, and generally science rejoices when preventative or mitigation measures can be found (eg vaccines) since they are typically so much cheaper and/or more feasible to administer across populations and regional economies incl developing world.

[dunfree]

MagUni - If you really want to know, PM me. It's not that interesting and probably not worth the time it will take to read it. (It is slightly amusing to see people lose their shit over it, pontificate on possible causes, etc.).

Trolls get off on trolling? Riveting.

[Buster Highmen]

D0D, I wont take the time to rebut your claims after this, but none of your arguments make sense to me. Sometimes I'm out in left field (wh33333), but there's an obvious consenseless here that your remarks about eradication are irrelevant and misleading. I do not think that's a function of personalities.

I hope we don't have to have mandates, but it's amazing how selfish and ignorant lots of people are regarding medicine in the context of covid.

And it would be sweet twirly love beams if we could find another effective way to manage covid without vaxes.
But we haven't.

It may become a matter of choosing the lesser evil, covid or lockdowns and mandates. People refusing the stick are only furthering us into lockdowns and mandates.

I'm not that nice in real life, this is what's going on in my thoughts and as such are the real me. I still feel that all this innert00b jibberjabber is a pretty good window into what a person is like.

We already have vax passports as well.

[CarlMega]

Trolls get off on trolling? Riveting.

Another disingenuous talking point is the ‘well we are totally reasonable folks who would just like to see effective treatments developed rather than a focus on vaccines’.

Your argument is political bullshit.

All correct and thank you for not catering to this malarky. DummyDad is pure shit-post nonsense. None of his blabber is more than it appears despite his "Best health to you all" sign off.

While teleRoofer cries "it's a different opinion! Y U mad?!?". No. When you allege that there's a worldwide conspiracy by central bankers to install digital currency as part of a hidden, nefarious totalitarian regimes through vaccine policy, you are a deranged person who lost their tether to reality. It is not a difference of opinion.

Likely it's part of a scheme to roll out digital currencies anyway. Watch what happens in Europe which is the epicenter of this Build Back Better bullshit and the Klaus Schwab circus. It's no coincidence all of the more draconian policies are coming from those who were part of his World Economic Forum "junior leaders" program. Same with Tedros at the WHO, european central bankers, etc.

[SumJongGuy]

All correct and thank you for not catering to this malarky. DummyDad is pure shit-post nonsense. None of his blabber is more than it appears despite his "Best health to you all" sign off.

While teleRoofer cries "it's a different opinion! Y U mad?!?". No. When you allege that there's a worldwide conspiracy by central bankers to install digital currency as part of a hidden, nefarious totalitarian regimes through vaccine policy, you are a deranged person who lost their tether to reality. It is not a difference of opinion.

NWOs coming through vaccine mandates?? SHIT!! I went long in carbon credits because they said that was the new world order control plan.. SELLING carbon credits cheap.. Who wants some???

[Nobody Famous]

But why the fuck isn't his post count going up?????

Secret Russian Troll programming?

This. Seems more likely to me than some real, live person sitting behind a keyboard posting all the nonsense.

[jono]

NWOs coming through vaccine mandates??

There is a small fraction of people that believe that (or something like it) is a significant possibility. Some of them think it's a good idea and others hate it, but they all have one thing in common: they're vaccinated. The rest of the cockapoos are all talk.

D0D is real, he's just really proud of discovering a way to post without it increasing his post count. In a karmic sense he's found yet another way of saying: talk is cheap.

[teletech]

The fact that you guys track post counts like it is important is strange and pathetic. It’s actually quite sad that your life revolves around an Internet forum. Carry on.

[babybear]

he posts then deletes his posts so it stays at zero (shrug)

[dunfree]

he posts then deletes his posts so it stays at zero (shrug)

so why do posts show up when you hit “view forum posts”?