To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

**The AD** · 12-08-2020, 03:54 PM

From a layman's perspective it seems like using anything other than something completely inert as a placebo would run the risk of affecting the study.

**Harry** · 12-08-2020, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

PG arguing with mofro about this stuff is beyond comical.

I know, right ?

mofro brings a bazooka to a knife fight.

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**pureantigravity** · 12-08-2020, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Harry

I know, right ?

mofro brings a bazooka to a knife fight.

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I hope he responds to my last post. I'm really curious on what his take it for the different reactions and why the others didn't do it like U of Oxford.
I'm not knifing anyone.

**PNWbrit** · 12-08-2020, 04:37 PM

You bring a teaspoon to the knife fight.

**Self Jupiter** · 12-08-2020, 04:42 PM

**bennymac** · 12-08-2020, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by puregravity

I hope he responds to my last post. I'm really curious on what his take it for the different reactions and why the others didn't do it like U of Oxford.
I'm not knifing anyone.

You don’t read any links that are posted but expect a free immunology and epidemiology degree handed to you in bite sized pieces.

Read more. Think more. Listen more. Post less.

**yeahman** · 12-08-2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by old goat

At this point it should be clear that pandemic protection is more important to national security than the military--at least military at the level we maintain it--and at least on a par with cybersecurity. And we need to be able to produce vaccines, critical drugs on shore, in addition to the PPE.

Imagine if we relied on China for our fighter jets and nuclear weapons. Or didn't start making them until we were attacked.

You know China is watching us flounder with Covid and thinking, Yeah, this is how you defeat those American fuckers. Our system can control the spread, theirs can't. Just make it 10X more deadly and the US is toast.

**glademaster** · 12-08-2020, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by yeahman

You know China is watching us flounder with Covid and thinking, Yeah, this is how you defeat those American fuckers. Our system can control the spread, theirs can't. Just make it 10X more deadly and the US is toast.

And we would deserve it.

**kmkmkmk** · 12-08-2020, 07:23 PM

I got the Pfizer vaccine in the trial. Sore arm after both injections, the only negative side effect. Positive antibody test three weeks after second injection.

One good side effect - I can type faster now that i have 11 fingers.

**frorider** · 12-08-2020, 07:27 PM

How’s your 5G signal strength?

**muted** · 12-08-2020, 07:27 PM

Can you post a pic where the new finger grew? I'm hoping it's to the outside of a thumb.

**uglymoney** · 12-08-2020, 07:27 PM

Lucky you. Thanks for your service. I signed up for the Pfizer trail at U of Iowa but never heard back after I returned the qualifying survey. Guesssing either my semi frequent weekend (let down) migraines or they already had enough middle aged white dudes. Really wish I'd have gotten in. For selfish reasons.

**pureantigravity** · 12-08-2020, 10:06 PM

After the first shot, Choi felt fine, and had no idea whether she’d received the placebo or the vaccine. Her second shot, administered the following month, was a different story.

The injection site was much more painful than when she received the first shot, and by the end of the day, she “felt light-headed, chilled, nauseous, and had a splitting headache.”

She fell asleep, but then woke up at midnight, feeling even worse. She was feverish and could barely lift her arm, according to her description on JAMA.

At 5:30 a.m., she woke once again and took her temperature, finding it was a scorching 40.5 degrees Celsius.

“When I saw that I had a high fever, that's the highest fever I can ever remember having,” Choi told CTV News, “I think my initial, just gut reaction was, ‘Do I have COVID somehow?’”

She reported her reaction to the researchers at 9 a.m. when the office opened, and was told that “a lot of people have reactions after the second injection,” and that she should keep monitoring her symptoms.

...

In the case of the Pfizer vaccine, those older than 56 years of age experienced milder side-effects than the younger cohort of 18 to 55 years.

COVID-19 vaccines have expected side-effects, but experts say they're no cause for concern
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...cern-1.5222927

The generation most likely to share and post on social media about their experience are the ones most affected by vax fever.

"the highest fever I can ever remember having"

All this voluntary systemic inflammation must be good for people!

Any headline with "but experts say" in it is probably reason for concern.

**pureantigravity** · 12-08-2020, 10:23 PM

Meanwhile on the east coast, The New York Times feels this is the best headline they can do to instill confidence:

"The new vaccines will probably prevent you from getting sick with Covid. No one knows yet whether they will keep you from spreading the virus to others — but that information is coming."

Will probably
probably.

**This End Up** · 12-08-2020, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by mtuhockey33

I mean they totally skipped the animal testing phase and went straight to testing on humans... which is the only reason we don’t currently have a mRNA vaccine - they’ve never been able to get past the animal testing phases which were conveniently skipped to make this vaccine.

Who needs animal testing? There are plenty of people who want to be injected right now, no matter the consequences. They are our test animals.

Brings new meaning to the word "sheeple"

**old goat** · 12-08-2020, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by This End Up

Who needs animal testing? There are plenty of people who want to be injected right now, no matter the consequences. They are our test animals.

Brings new meaning to the word "sheeple"

Norman Shumway, the pioneering cardiac surgeon at Stanford would be asked why his department never produced any animal studies of new heart operations. "Why use animals. I have veterans [at the VA]." (I don't approve).

**Beaver** · 12-08-2020, 11:34 PM

I heard it made your penis bigger. Finally a cure for smallcox.

**Beaver** · 12-08-2020, 11:37 PM

I can't wait until there are regulations in place as there are with dog and rabies vaccinations. You want to cross the border, show proof of vaccination or fuck off.

**pureantigravity** · 12-09-2020, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Beaver

I can't wait until there are regulations in place as there are with dog and rabies vaccinations. You want to cross the border, show proof of vaccination or fuck off.

A 5G chip implanted in all the sheeple would solve this.

**neufox47** · 12-09-2020, 12:09 AM

I like how Pure Gravity tries to converse with Mofro like they are peers.

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**SHarmon** · 12-09-2020, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Harry

Last time I read a post by the OP he was freaking out because buses full of ANTIFA were headed to his small town, so not surprised to find out he is an anti-vaxxer.

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Is it too obvious?

**glademaster** · 12-09-2020, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Beaver

I can't wait until there are regulations in place as there are with dog and rabies vaccinations. You want to cross the border, show proof of vaccination or fuck off.

That makes two of us. I'm going to implement that rule in daily life too. You want to get together for a hike, bbq, whatever? Let's see proof you've had both rounds of the vax first, otherwise, tough luck.

**TNKen** · 12-09-2020, 07:36 AM

Thalidomide was pronounced safe too. No issues there.

Daughter's opinion stems from the fact that as far as young persons go, the impact of covid is negligible. On older persons with a shorter life span, the risks of the injection may outweigh the covid risks.