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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    He wasn't disagreeing with you...he said the same thing is happening in Canada. It's because of the antivaccinating covidiots.
    well he is a fucking idiot troll so he has to troll something while ignoring the idea I put forth

    that anti vaxers in Canada are clogging up ICU's just like the anti vaxxers are clogging up ICU's in America

    so how the HC is funded has nothing to do with overflowing ICU's

    there are overflowing ICU's in both countries due to Covidiots
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    well he is a fucking idiot troll so he has to troll something while ignoring the idea I put forth

    that anti vaxers in Canada are clogging up ICU's just like the anti vaxxers are clogging up ICU's in America

    so how the HC is funded has nothing to do with overflowing ICU's

    there are overflowing ICU's in both countries due to Covidiots
    Right. And as a result Canadian HC workers are getting burnt out just like they are here. So WTF was his point other than being a moron.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Morans gona moran eh
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    well he is a fucking idiot troll so he has to troll something while ignoring the idea I put forth

    that anti vaxers in Alberta are clogging up ICU's just like the anti vaxxers are clogging up ICU's in America

    so how the HC is funded has nothing to do with overflowing ICU's

    there are overflowing ICU's in both countries due to Covidiots
    Fixed that for you.

    ICU capacity across the rest of the country seems to be holding steady. Ontario is actually seeing a slight decline week-over-week. Not to say there aren't dumbass antivaxxers here, it's just there's way less of 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    so how the HC is funded has nothing to do with overflowing ICU's
    Actually it has everything to do with the overflowing ICUs. It's not a shortage of physical beds at hospitals. It's a lack of "available" beds, which has to do with staffing, equipment, etc. This in turn DOES lead to worker burnout, which furthers the problem. Nursing burnout is nothing new as hospitals have been trying to cut costs forever, but COVID's definitely made things worse than ever on that front.

    Again, perhaps if hospitals hadn't cut so much staff during all of 2020, they wouldn't have quite so much burnout, and would be in a far better capacity to handle this Delta surge.

    Chicken vs egg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Ah yes. The stroke. So, is this poor gal vax injured?
    Read. My. Entire. Post. You know. Beyond the last period of what you quoted. SMH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    He's not fully vaccinated correct? got the first jab but not the second?

    also, regarding the Spokane area, is it correct to say it is less stringent with enforcing the State's masking requirements than other metro areas like Seattle or Olympia?
    I'm ashamed to know this, but he said he got both shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Actually it has everything to do with the overflowing ICUs. It's not a shortage of physical beds at hospitals. It's a lack of "available" beds, which has to do with staffing, equipment, etc. This in turn DOES lead to worker burnout, which furthers the problem. Nursing burnout is nothing new as hospitals have been trying to cut costs forever, but COVID's definitely made things worse than ever on that front.

    Again, perhaps if hospitals hadn't cut so much staff during all of 2020, they wouldn't have quite so much burnout, and would be in a far better capacity to handle this Delta surge.

    Chicken vs egg?
    lmao the staffing issues that are happening now is because our heathcare funding has been bled dry for the past 20+ years, not COVID burnout. I mean it certainly doesn't help, but that's not the cause of the illness here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    Fixed that for you.

    ICU capacity across the rest of the country seems to be holding steady. Ontario is actually seeing a slight decline week-over-week. Not to say there aren't dumbass antivaxxers here, it's just there's way less of 'em.
    no you are wrong its happening right here in my town and anywhere anti vaxxers have become sick and clogged the ICU

    a rodeo , church, big church wedding, a large gathering of drunks eating BBQ and yehaw we got an overloaded ICU, they are shipping other pateints off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    I've had a few friends move to northern Idaho because they can't stand all the restrictions that Gov. Brown has put in place in Oregon. It's a weird reaction...the idea that putting on a mask, SD'ing, and getting vaccinated is so difficult that they felt the need to upend their lives and move away. Seemingly the idea these folks share is that they would rather keep the pandemic going than move on from it out of fear of the other political team getting a win.
    Is there someplace on the world wide web where free speech is so prized that doxing these transplants might be tolerated? Asking for a friend.

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    It's an op ed piece. No need for stats. One man's (?) opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    From VAERS FAQ (https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html), emphasis mine:

    Who can report to VAERS?

    VAERS accepts reports from anyone. Patients, parents, caregivers and healthcare providers (HCP) are encouraged to report adverse events after vaccination to VAERS even if it is not clear that the vaccine caused the adverse event. In addition, HCP are required to report certain adverse events after vaccination.


    Are all adverse events reported to VAERS caused by vaccines?

    No. Some adverse events might be caused by vaccination and others might be coincidental and not related to vaccination. Just because an adverse event happened after a person received a vaccine does not mean the vaccine caused the adverse event.

    VAERS accepts reports of adverse events following vaccination without judging the cause or seriousness of the event. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event, but it is good at detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of reporting that might indicate possible safety problems that need a closer look.
    So, VAERS = Wikipedia. Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smoova View Post
    So, VAERS = Wikipedia. Nice.
    It's actually worse than Wikipedia the way it's described up there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    no you are wrong its happening right here in my town and anywhere anti vaxxers have become sick and clogged the ICU

    a rodeo , church, big church wedding, a large gathering of drunks eating BBQ and yehaw we got an overloaded ICU, they are shipping other pateints off
    Hmm. I stand corrected.

    Hope that turns around soon. Although I would suspect it doesn't take much to overrun ICUs in northern BC. They probably ship people out to the cities a lot already.

    Here in Onterrible I think the number during a normal flu season is 110% capacity. Which is astoundingly ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    Actually it has everything to do with the overflowing ICUs. It's not a shortage of physical beds at hospitals. It's a lack of "available" beds, which has to do with staffing, equipment, etc. This in turn DOES lead to worker burnout, which furthers the problem. Nursing burnout is nothing new as hospitals have been trying to cut costs forever, but COVID's definitely made things worse than ever on that front.

    Again, perhaps if hospitals hadn't cut so much staff during all of 2020, they wouldn't have quite so much burnout, and would be in a far better capacity to handle this Delta surge.

    Chicken vs egg?
    I understand you " did your research " but NO you are wrong, real doctors are telling me covidiots are clogging ICU and then denying they have covid

    obviously there isnt unlimited HC resources anywhere but things wer ticking along fine until anti vaxers clogged the ICU,

    almost all the ICU patients were not vaccinated and it was preventable
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    You’ve got some stats to back all this up, right?
    How about this? I know someone who recently got wrecked by Covid. Yes, vax'd, so don't go there. I went to go visit them at the ICU. One of the primary Covid care facilities in town. I saw it all over the local news about how overflowing the ICUs were, just as you all had heard. So, I thought it would be interesting to see what the reality was for myself. Place was a goddam ghost town. Since I finally scored a pass for entry, after making it past security up front, I decided to snoop around. 1st and 2nd floors were deserted. Mostly empty. 3rd floor was where the action was, and even that was 1/2 empty. Had a good chat with the ICU doc who was taking care of my friend and he told me how bad staffing was, how they've had to get so many travelling nurses, and how furious he was with the higher ups that they canned so many people when they knew damn well these surges were coming. The burnout was real. I could see it in him. I could see it in the staff. Same hospital chain btw that I was mentioning gave their CEO like $30MM last year.

    So I'm not just pulling this stuff out of thin air. I'm relaying what I witnessed first hand. Had gotten to know much of the staff and helped out wherever I could up there on repeat visits. Been holding off on sharing even this because I know how much shit I'll catch, but it's the truth. Our hospitals are not overflowing. It's an "available bed" issue like I've been trying to say.

    The sleepy ICU:
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    The person I know on ventilation. Was intubated here, but now on trach these days:
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    That good enough data for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    How about this? I know someone who recently got wrecked by Covid. Yes, vax'd, so don't go there. I went to go visit them at the ICU. One of the primary Covid care facilities in town. I saw it all over the local news about how overflowing the ICUs were, just as you all had heard. So, I thought it would be interesting to see what the reality was for myself. Place was a goddam ghost town. Since I finally scored a pass for entry, after making it past security up front, I decided to snoop around. 1st and 2nd floors were deserted. Mostly empty. 3rd floor was where the action was, and even that was 1/2 empty. Had a good chat with the ICU doc who was taking care of my friend and he told me how bad staffing was, how they've had to get so many travelling nurses, and how furious he was with the higher ups that they canned so many people when they knew damn well these surges were coming. The burnout was real. I could see it in him. I could see it in the staff. Same hospital chain btw that I was mentioning gave their CEO like $30MM last year.

    So I'm not just pulling this stuff out of thin air. I'm relaying what I witnessed first hand. Had gotten to know much of the staff and helped out wherever I could up there on repeat visits. Been holding off on sharing even this because I know how much shit I'll catch, but it's the truth. Our hospitals are not overflowing. It's an "available bed" issue like I've been trying to say.

    The sleepy ICU:
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    The person I know on ventilation. Was intubated here, but now on trach these days:
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    That good enough data for you?
    No would have worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    It's actually worse than Wikipedia the way it's described up there.
    It's a bad idea on net, but it would be funny if the next Tiktok fad was to report increased 5G range and just compare that with some of the other symptoms. They're going to have to start jailing for fraud or something, because that sort of nonsense is happening and will increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulster2626 View Post
    Hmm. I stand corrected.

    Hope that turns around soon. Although I would suspect it doesn't take much to overrun ICUs in northern BC. They probably ship people out to the cities a lot already.

    Here in Onterrible I think the number during a normal flu season is 110% capacity. Which is astoundingly ridiculous.

    yeah but this situation is not normal and it was preventable

    they airmedivac people out usually to Vangroovy cuz they just don't have the expertise on some things its understandable that medbro can't have expertise on say a heart probelms if they don't see enough heart probelms, so the attending talks to vancover and makes the call to fly, or not and its never a wasted flight if the patient doesnt die

    same with a lot of surgical procedures colonoscopys/ ACL's/ knees will be done by a visiting pro that is life in the narth

    but actualy in small town the ER is almost never very busy, its usually < an hr wait
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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    How about this? I know someone who recently got wrecked by Covid. Yes, vax'd, so don't go there. I went to go visit them at the ICU. One of the primary Covid care facilities in town. I saw it all over the local news about how overflowing the ICUs were, just as you all had heard. So, I thought it would be interesting to see what the reality was for myself. Place was a goddam ghost town. Since I finally scored a pass for entry, after making it past security up front, I decided to snoop around. 1st and 2nd floors were deserted. Mostly empty. 3rd floor was where the action was, and even that was 1/2 empty. Had a good chat with the ICU doc who was taking care of my friend and he told me how bad staffing was, how they've had to get so many travelling nurses, and how furious he was with the higher ups that they canned so many people when they knew damn well these surges were coming. The burnout was real. I could see it in him. I could see it in the staff. Same hospital chain btw that I was mentioning gave their CEO like $30MM last year.

    So I'm not just pulling this stuff out of thin air. I'm relaying what I witnessed first hand. Had gotten to know much of the staff and helped out wherever I could up there on repeat visits. Been holding off on sharing even this because I know how much shit I'll catch, but it's the truth. Our hospitals are not overflowing. It's an "available bed" issue like I've been trying to say.

    The sleepy ICU:
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Name:	COV ICU.jpg 
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    The person I know on ventilation. Was intubated here, but now on trach these days:
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Name:	Cov Vent.jpg 
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    That good enough data for you?
    Thatís an anecdote not data.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MontuckyFried View Post
    How about this?
    That good enough data for you?
    you got some pictures of HW and you are in general full of shit but what does it mean ?

    so

    no
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    yeah but this situation is not normal and it was preventable

    they airmedivac people out usually to Vangroovy cuz they just don't have the expertise on some things its understandable that medbro can't have expertise on say a heart probelms if they don't see enough heart probelms, so the attending talks to vancover and makes the call to fly, or not and its never a wasted flight if the patient doesnt die

    same with a lot of surgical procedures colonoscopys/ ACL's/ knees will be done by a visiting pro that is life in the narth

    but actualy in small town the ER is almost never very busy, its usually < an hr wait
    Any time I've been to a small town BC ER the only wait time is for the doctors to leave their houses to come in and do x-rays and set bones. Once in Invermere they even had to turn on the lights in the rooms we needed. I apologized to everyone working there for ruining their evenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    you got some pictures of HW and you are in general full of shit but what does it mean ?

    so

    no
    What he posted actually confirms what you and others are saying. In my limited experience being in ICU areas of hospitals it is relatively isolated, by design. They don't want tons of people wandering into and out of ICU rooms, possibly introducing disease where the patients cannot handle it...and in this case, they're keeping non-infected people from catching COVID.

    The rest of the hospital is exactly what you would expect when HC resources are dedicated to keeping COVIDiots alive in the ICU. One of the docs that posts in this tread, or maybe it was one of the scientists working on COVID issues, pointed out that it takes a lot more HC resources to operate one ICU bed than it does your run of the mill hospital bed. The ICU is full, they've repurposed docs/nurses to the ICU from other parts of the hospital, that renders those non-ICU areas low use. So what MF experienced is by design and should be a massive DUH to him before going in. What did he think he'd find? People on vents piled up in the hallway?
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    and BTW those crayon eaters would not be there if they had got vaxed

    I think he doesnt have a clue how a hospitol works

    remember covid denyers would take a picture of hospitol parking lots and say see they aren't busy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    What did he think he'd find? People on vents piled up in the hallway?
    Well, that's the picture that many of you here and the news have certainly painted. It is not. Yes, I know it's "by design." It's also inexcusable during a pandemic that hospitals would have so many layoffs when they should have been ramping up before the SHTF. With Canada's healthcare system, I don't know what their excuse is for all their layoffs.

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