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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Faust?


    masking indoors in public makes a great deal of sense,” Faust said. “Even here in Boston, where the case counts are low, I would mask in indoor settings where everyone’s vaccination status is unknowable.”
    I wouldn't trust him. It's well known that he made a deal with the devil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Re breakthroughs.

    There is now a body of data that suggests double vaxxed people are 85-88% protected against symptomatic disease from Delta, and 96% against hospitalization.

    But that means 1 in 8 vaccinated people will still get breakthrough cases, "mild" is subjective but vaxxed typically have 40% less virus at peak viremia. So also less likely to transmit as well.
    We should be clear on the definition of "breakthrough" for everyone's sake. Breakthrough means infection in anyone who has received a full course of a vaccine which includes the 2 weeks after the second dose. However, the bigger challenge wrt covid is that we are using PCR tests and non-rigorous viral load cutoffs to call someone "infected." PCR is exquisitely sensitive which means that many "positives" will exist at a level that is neither contageous nor a health issue (as Mofro indicated).

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    Washington State University has a vaccine mandate for their students, yet their football coach refuses to get vaccinated. He's the only Pac 12 coach to refuse the vaccine. What a role model!

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-12-media-day/

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    However, the bigger challenge wrt covid is that we are using PCR tests and non-rigorous viral load cutoffs to call someone "infected." PCR is exquisitely sensitive which means that many "positives" will exist at a level that is neither contageous nor a health issue (as Mofro indicated).
    How is this a problem? If the person is positive (and assuming not an outright false positive), how is that an issue of concern.

    They are certainly positive and if not contagious it certainly is a better way to error than to call them negative when they are actually contagious, right?



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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altasnob View Post
    Washington State University has a vaccine mandate for their students, yet their football coach refuses to get vaccinated. He's the only Pac 12 coach to refuse the vaccine. What a role model!

    https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/...-12-media-day/
    "Coug'n it!"

    Dude should not be allowed to coach at WSU and certainly not set foot on any other campus or travel via airplane

    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    How is this a problem? If the person is positive (and assuming not an outright false positive), how is that an issue of concern.

    They are certainly positive and if not contagious it certainly is a better way to error than to call them negative when they are actually contagious, right?



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    I think it's good to provide context to the "positive" tests for the breakthrough cases because it makes people falsely think the vaccines don't work.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    "Coug'n it!"

    Dude should not be allowed to coach at WSU and certainly not set foot on any other campus or travel via airplane
    I guess one of the requirements when they hired him was he had to be just as dumb as Mike Leach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    How is this a problem? If the person is positive (and assuming not an outright false positive), how is that an issue of concern.

    They are certainly positive and if not contagious it certainly is a better way to error than to call them negative when they are actually contagious, right?
    Adolf nailed it. Context is everything.

    "Vaccines don't work"
    "Asymptomatic spread is a huge problem"
    Under-estimation of R and the follow-on minimalization of the importance of every single vaccination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mofro261 View Post
    Re breakthroughs.

    There is now a body of data that suggests double vaxxed people are 85-88% protected against symptomatic disease from Delta, and 96% against hospitalization.

    But that means 1 in 8 vaccinated people will still get breakthrough cases, "mild" is subjective but vaxxed typically have 40% less virus at peak viremia. So also less likely to transmit as well.
    Is the 12 percent, or 1 in 8, cumulative infections, ie over many years?

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    There is no hope for a certain white entitled selfish and ignorant segment of the population. They are simply against the principle of an agenda...no matter the merit.

    https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/stat...656972808?s=19

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    There is no hope for a certain white entitled selfish and ignorant segment of the population. They are simply against the principle of an agenda...no matter the merit.

    https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/stat...656972808?s=19
    Well, at least he's got his convictions figured out. Basically he won't get the vaccine because those in authority want him to get the vaccine. Are these people adults or two year olds?

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    This response in that feed is pure gold

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    "Coug'n it!"

    Dude should not be allowed to coach at WSU and certainly not set foot on any other campus or travel via airplane



    I think it's good to provide context to the "positive" tests for the breakthrough cases because it makes people falsely think the vaccines don't work.
    Thatís nonsense.

    You havenít thought that through.

    So you raise the sensitivity and get fewer positive tests. In addition to losing asymptomatic infections that wont be contagious from vaxed you will lose those with low level infections that will later become infectious.

    Bad result.


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    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Thatís nonsense.

    You havenít thought that through.

    So you raise the sensitivity and get fewer positive tests. In addition to losing asymptomatic infections that wont be contagious from vaxed you will lose those with low level infections that will later become infectious.

    Bad result.


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    I see what you're saying. Redefine what "infected" means to only identify those with active cases that are infectious. That seems reasonable.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Well, at least he's got his convictions figured out. Basically he won't get the vaccine because those in authority want him to get the vaccine. Are these people adults or two year olds?
    This is what I'm wondering. The number of grown-ass people acting like fucking petulant children is disturbing.

    But maybe this is not a *new* phenomenon, but is now more publicly apparent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    I wonder what it is like to be so obtuse you cannot see the difference between a system that produces incremental improvements vs something that is completely effective.
    So the goalposts are down to "incremental improvements" now? That's quite a jump from statements like the CDC director claiming that masks might provide more protection than a vaccine: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/cdc-...-vaccine-.html

    Somehow I don't recall all the mask hysterics talking about incremental improvements?

    Masks, especially when worn by the infected, reduce transmission. Masks also reduce the viral load the uninfected receive when around the infected. This can be demonstrated using basic physics and experimental tests. Additionally, it is supported by over 100 years of use in the medical community. To refute the demonstrable and accepted protection of masks, we would need a significant and robust study to demonstrate their ineffectiveness. No such study exists.
    The mechanistic studies are useless if masks don't actually help prevent spread in the real world. The data is clear at this point - there is no correlation between mask use and COVID spread.

    The best study we have on masks and the the spread of respiratory viruses is this one: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
    "Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza."

    And we have a number of studies that find masks have no benefit in the medical community either:

    https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD002929.pub2/epdf/full
    "Three trials were included, involving a total of 2113 participants. There was no statistically significant difference in infection rates between the masked and unmasked group in any of the trials."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...01509-0009.pdf
    "No masks were worn in one operating theatre for 6 months. There was no increase in the incidence of wound infection."

    https://journals.lww.com/clinorthop/...t%5C_as“
    "The wearing of a surgical face mask had no effect upon the overall operating room environmental contamination...”

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...41076815583167
    "Overall there is a lack of substantial evidence to support claims that facemasks protect either patient or surgeon from infectious contamination."

    https://www.ayubmed.edu.pk/JAMC/PAST/21-2/Zahid.pdf
    “No significant difference in the incidence of postoperative wound infection was observed between masks group and groups operated with no masks. There was no increase in infection rate in 1980 when masks were discarded. In fact there was a significant decrease in infection rate.”

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...057X0102900402
    "The evidence for discontinuing the use of surgical face masks would appear to be stronger than the evidence available to support their continued use... There is little evidence to suggest that the wearing of surgical face masks by staff in the operating theatre decreases postoperative wound infections."

    There's more, but you get the idea.

    If masks (and social distancing) do not work, then what is the explanation for the all time low flu infections last year?
    Masks clearly have nothing to do with low flu infections because flu is down everywhere, regardless of mask usage. Viral interference theory makes the most sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron johnson View Post
    The best study we have on masks and the the spread of respiratory viruses is this one: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
    Best study? Lol. Did you even read that link? Please go on.... you're really making some sort of point here.

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    Please don't egg on the white noise troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Best study? Lol. Did you even read that link? Please go on.... you're really making some sort of point here.
    Heh. That's where I stopped, too. At least he makes it easy to know what to filter: as soon as he offers a conclusion or opinion you know the rails are someplace in the rearview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Best study? Lol. Did you even read that link? Please go on.... you're really making some sort of point here.
    Huh? It's a meta-analysis of 14 RCT's. What do you have that's better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I guess one of the requirements when they hired him was he had to be just as dumb as Mike Leach.
    i don't suppose the university has the cojones to temporarily suspend his paycheck until he complies with university requirements

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    I guess one of the requirements when they hired him was he had to be just as dumb as Mike Leach.
    LOL!
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    Don't respond to king shithead and he goes away. That's best for everyone.

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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pfize...elta-1.6113014

    The study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday, confirms headline findings given by Public Health England (PHE) in May about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca, based on real-world data.

    The research team found that two doses of Pfizer's shot was 88 per cent effective at preventing symptomatic disease from the delta variant, compared to 93.7 per cent effective against the alpha variant, broadly the same as previously reported.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Mega View Post
    Best study? Lol. Did you even read that link? Please go on.... you're really making some sort of point here.
    According to that study, you shouldnít wash your hands either! Not surprising Ron Johnson is literally smearing shit everywhere he goes. What a dumbass. For those that may recall the global warming thread, this is the same guy who didnít understand basic statistics nor could he read a graph.

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    ďMasks clearly have nothing to do with low flu infections because flu is down everywhere, regardless of mask usage. Viral interference theory makes the most sense to me.Ē

    I missed this gem too. Of course the village idiot thinks that COVID infections are the reason the flu is down. Yea, didnít you know such significant portions of the population got Covid that everyone is immune to the flu now? Ron Johnson is about to win 3 Nobel prizes, first for disproving global warming despite not understanding math or science, the second for discovering masks and hand washing are ineffective and the third for discovering that Covid eradicated the flu.

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