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  1. #6576
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    I think you mean august not fall. Icu's in a number of states are set to outpace december very soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    I think you mean august not fall. Icu's in a number of states are set to outpace december very soon

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    Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

    I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

    I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

    Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Danny Westneat: Washington had its chance to stomp the coronavirus. We blew it.



    I bring all this up to say: We had our chance to stomp down the coronavirus. We didn't do it. We blew it.
    Whattaya mean "we" white man??

    Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dannynoonan View Post
    Whattaya mean "we" white man??

    Having said that, I'm SO happy to see the start of the "personal responsibility" culture having to actually bear the costs ($$$ and life/death) of their covid choices. I would be even more happy to see it go beyond copays tho, or OOP max. You refuse the vax, you pay for the whole ordeal out of pocket. Sell your house, go bankrupt, I give zero/negative fucks.
    Isn't it amazing how close personal responsibility and selfish asshole are? Like love and hate. You're only a couple seconds away from the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    Link? Aren't most old and vulnerable vaxxed no matter their politics...at least in Iowa that is true? Younger idiots and middle aged undereducated partisans are catching it now. Even if they have to be hospitalized they often don't make it all the way to the icu.

    I think we have a junkshow coming but it is going to be different than this winter. Secretarian outbreaks. Like Afghanistan but with a Merican twist.

    I'm not sure how much I give a fuck anymore. More worried about...can I go to yurp. Will my daughter be vaccinated by this fall. Can best friend do Portugal this fall. Is the forest I want to hike into on fire.

    Wife has some issues with medication she takes that could compromise her immune response but she works in the most vaxxed County in the state. They are maskless by mandate with public coming in. At this point we are at the mercy of ma nature and the universe I guess.
    Theyre red states but the trend is there and the transmossion vector numbers are expanding. Youll have to look up decembers numbers to confirm theyre close
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    Right but those are new infections...it doesn't say that they are among a younger healthier crew than last winter but they are because old people who are extremely vulnerable and most likely to be icu patients have been mostly vaccinated except in the most backwoods backassward strongholds.

    I think there is a lesson there somewhere. The power of sectarianism and extreme partisanship has its limits somewhere on the reality vs plausible deniability line graph.

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    Wouldnt the variant be spreading faster and more deadly to a wider range of people? I see one state has several children in icu because of it.Could this signal a bigger problem, than in december , in those states affected ?

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:


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    I agree. Probably doesnt even go dar enough. Thats the price they pay for playing russian roulette with their life. What extra punishment shpuld they recieve for fkn up other peoples lives/families/friends ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?
    Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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    To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

    Quote Originally Posted by Skidog View Post
    Was wondering kinda same thing. Like "what if" this WAS the experiment or weapon? How fast can we get a virus to mutate and avoid being destroyed? Make "THE" super bug.

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    The superbug was when they took h5n1 and made it transmissible in ferrets. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...-poised-resume

    H5n1 has a fatality rate of over 60%.

    But yea, COVID was released from a lab is a prominent conspiracy theory. If so, good thing they didnít release the delta variant.

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    got the old man outta the hospital after intestinalis surgery
    they sent him to a rehab facility
    got to visit yesterday but
    theyre on coviod lock down today
    they let us drop of the coffee
    and visit through the window

    thanks anti vac zuckerbitches and sad fuckin narsisistic twitty twats
    your fucked up fountains of misinformation
    flowith over and this shit aint gonna end
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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Asking as someone who is totally ignorant of virus research--is that the sort of information that might be obtained by gain-of-function research at a place like the Wuhan lab?
    I've mentioned before that the insertion PRRA was suboptimal, and not something as I scientist I would have settled on given the knowledge previously available about polybasic cleavage sites. Natural evolution agrees me with here.
    Move upside and let the man go through...

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    lulz

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    That's good. Next step... For people who fallen down the rathole of false arguments, how do we get them out? Considering a family member here - it seems much like an addicted friend. Their circle of friends supports the addiction, so any help out I can offer is quickly countered and they fall back in the trap. Put differently, they rejoin their social support group and its misinformation (the addiction).

    The science path also comes with often not knowing, not knowing yet, or worse knowing we'll never know. In addition, science requires yielding power and control to whichever specialists have the required education and background to pursue answers. In contrast, the grifters and liars are free to make shit up, be certain about it, and give individuals the choice/control to ignore science and TPTB.
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    Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads on TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    Washington is pulling out all the stops with a ton of Covid vaccination ads in TV.
    Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The AD View Post
    Are you getting the one where the lady mispronounces "normalcy?" Drives me bonkers.
    Haven't been paying that close of attention. Will have to watch for it.
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    French Face 6 Months In Jail For Entering A Bar Or Restaurant Without A COVID Pass

    About time somebody is doing something about the unvaccinated.

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    [QUOTE=Kinnikinnick;6358177]Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:

    I agree with this as soon as we disqualify tobacco users.

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    [QUOTE=bigdude2468;6358602]
    Quote Originally Posted by Kinnikinnick View Post
    Refuse available vaccine and get covid and you deserve every consequence. IMO that should include disqualification from health insurance, life insurance, medicare, etc. Die at home or go bankrupt for hospitalization:

    I agree with this as soon as we disqualify tobacco users.
    And drinkers. And people who eat like shit. And people who donít get enough sleep.

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    Can we also recognize that leaving the unvaxxed to their own misguided future represents a huge potential financial liability for society. ER's, ventilators and therapeutics are unbelievably expensive and it would be wrong to assume that each patient pays their own way or has sufficient insurance coverage.

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    [QUOTE=JimmyCarter;6358615]
    Quote Originally Posted by bigdude2468 View Post

    And drinkers. And people who eat like shit. And people who donít get enough sleep.
    Now you are intentionally eroding the point.

    Dont get vaxxed = dont get insured for the hospitalization costs.

    If you start adding lifestyle choices then the consequence would be so broad that it wont have the desired incentive.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Keystone is fucking lame. But, deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huckbucket View Post
    Can we also recognize that leaving the unvaxxed to their own misguided future represents a huge potential financial liability for society. ER's, ventilators and therapeutics are unbelievably expensive and it would be wrong to assume that each patient pays their own way or has sufficient insurance coverage.
    Agreed. And for the record I am very pro-vax. It still poses interesting questions regarding where we draw the line for compelling certain behaviors. Especially if we are using the "dollar cost to the public" argument.

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